Simon Outlet Mall 61st & Hwy 75

[cannon_fodder]

Can the City of Tulsa aggressively manage our Brand and stop them from associating our name with a Jenks development. (no, no they can't. Just sayin')

Also want to point out that the design is actually improved. It also shows a shiny new interchange right next to the river... wonder who pay$ for that. Do you think Tulsa reps are smart enough in OKC to lobby against the DOT funding the interchange?

[sgrizzle]

It looked to me like they were adding a turnaround at the Jenks turnpike exit so westbound traffic can flip around and go to the mall I think.

[swake]

Can the City of Tulsa aggressively manage our Brand and stop them from associating our name with a Jenks development. (no, no they can't. Just sayin')

Also want to point out that the design is actually improved. It also shows a shiny new interchange right next to the river... wonder who pay$ for that. Do you think Tulsa reps are smart enough in OKC to lobby against the DOT funding the interchange?

The road project is under construction now and is a joint project of OTA and the city of Jenks. While the new roads help the mall, it was designed to alleviate traffic at the Jenks exit on the Creek Turnpike and traffic on Elm (Peoria) under the turnpike. There's not actually a new highway exit next to the river, but the current exit ramps will be moved towards the river and one way service roads will be built on each side of the turnpike with multiple turnarounds under the turnpike including a "Texas" turnaround at Elm. This will remove one of the three stoplights on Elm at the Turnpike and keep traffic from backing up onto the highway at rush hour.

[AquaMan]

Like the interchange and one way roads at Peoria and I-44? Those turnarounds work really well and keep traffic at the intersection flowing. QT kind of makes it tricky but still, pretty well designed.

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Like the interchange and one way roads at Peoria and I-44? Those turnarounds work really well and keep traffic at the intersection flowing. QT kind of makes it tricky but still, pretty well designed.

Just like that one, except in Jenks the Quik Trip is on the other side of the street. Is it strange that this intersection is 101st and Peoria, just five miles from I-44 and Peoria. It seems much further.

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

This may have already been mentioned, but the Horizon project in East Tulsa is coming along, too

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/proposed-east-tulsa-outlet-mall-passing-final-hurdles-development-group-targets-2017-opening

[Breadburner]

This may have already been mentioned, but the Horizon project in East Tulsa is coming along, too

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/proposed-east-tulsa-outlet-mall-passing-final-hurdles-development-group-targets-2017-opening

Little Mexico.....

[heironymouspasparagus]

Little Mexico.....

Not little...big.

[Hoss]

Not little...big.

None of you obviously live over here.  That part of East Tulsa is mostly industrial.  Wow.

[swake]

None of you obviously live over here.  That part of East Tulsa is mostly industrial.  Wow.

Anyway, I heard at one time that east Tulsa had more immigrants from Central and South America and the Admiral and Lewis area was our "little Mexico" area. Or do I have that backwards?

[cannon_fodder]

That area is almost sparely developed and large parts are warehousing/light industrial.

The Census says the two tracts that are nearest the proposed site are less than 1/5th Latino/Hispanic.  When I was in Mexico, it was almost 100% Mexican.

Also worth noting that the outlet mall doesn't care if the neighbors are rich or poor... they rely on transient shoppers. They fancy themselves as a destination.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

Not little...big.

It sounds like you haven't been to Mexico. It is a massive place. Furthermore, calling East Tulsa that is viewed as a racist slur.

East Tulsa is another American melting pot. Hopefully it will follow the path of other concentrated immigrant communities (e.g. Italian, Irish, Japanese etc) and stabilize and find success. Perhaps this outlet mall is part of that.

[heironymouspasparagus]

None of you obviously live over here.  That part of East Tulsa is mostly industrial.  Wow.

Not in the industrial area... Ok, ya got me!  I wasn't thinking that was the American Cold Storage area, I had it in mind that it was south of Flying J, back west one mile and south.  The description 'threw' me a little...

[heironymouspasparagus]

It sounds like you haven't been to Mexico. It is a massive place. Furthermore, calling East Tulsa that is viewed as a racist slur.

East Tulsa is another American melting pot. Hopefully it will follow the path of other concentrated immigrant communities (e.g. Italian, Irish, Japanese etc) and stabilize and find success. Perhaps this outlet mall is part of that.

Don't know if it would be viewed as racist or not...will have to ask my son-in-law, and his brothers/sisters if they think I am racist, since they are all Mexican and should know.  As for the ex-in-laws from the daughters other side of family, well I just don't know what kind of influence the mother would have on them, so we won't even check in there...

As for "stabilizing" - well the corner of 21st and Garnett is pretty well stabilized and is economically active and I would say vibrant!  Busy as can be place every time I go there.

The video in that news link is showing the view north to the interstate and beyond that the Flyin' Fishhook.  I am betting they took the pic from the McDonald's parking lot.

Oh...and there it is!!  McDonald's!!

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

Don't know if it would be viewed as racist or not...will have to ask my son-in-law, and his brothers/sisters if they think I am racist, since they are all Mexican and should know. 

No one accused you of being racists. I said that term Breadburnes used can be taken as a racial slur (typically used as a way to disrespect the area). Besides, that is a ridiculous argument. Having Mexican relatives does not exclude someone from being racist.

Regardless, the location of this outlet shouldn't be an issue any more than the Cherokee Casino location. In fact it might benefit from the traffic going that way and relative proximity.