City Councilor Wants Red Light Cameras -- again.

[patric]

Texas judge accused of hatching secret deal with red light camera company
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/21/texas-judge-accused-hatching-secret-deal-with-red-light-camera-company.html

[sauerkraut]

Red light cameras and speed cameras are a scam, and in many places where they are installed accidents increase. It's not really about safety it's about money.

[Vashta Nerada]

Red light cameras and speed cameras are a scam, and in many places where they are installed accidents increase. It's not really about safety it's about money.

Here we go again.

[Red Arrow]

Here we go again.

You are quoting something from nearly 5 months ago. 

[Vashta Nerada]

You are quoting something from nearly 5 months ago. 

Fox23 says its on tomorrow's Council agenda.



Meanwhile two years ago:


Oklahoma law does not allow for the use of cameras to electronically issue traffic tickets to red-light runners, Tulsa's city prosecutor told city councilors Thursday.
"In a nutshell, without additional legislation, at least on the civil side, we're not going to be able to do that," Bob Garner said.
Councilor G.T. Bynum had asked Garner to provide a legal opinion as to whether the city could use cameras to enforce traffic violations.
Garner said cities' traffic ordinances must conform to state law and that under Oklahoma law, running a red light is a criminal misdemeanor that must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/cameras-aren-t-easy-fix-for-red-light-runners-tulsa/article_26c85e37-ef1d-525a-af3f-be86080cb542.html

[Red Arrow]

Fox23 says its on tomorrow's Council agenda.

You might have mentioned that.

[RecycleMichael]

Maybe the red lights are for Christmas

[cannon_fodder]

The only thing that has changed is that more scandals have erupted around red light cameras, more high profile cities have had to abandon them, and more studies have concluded they don't make anyone safer.  $o why would we recon$ider the i$$ue?

[patric]

The only thing that has changed is that more scandals have erupted around red light cameras, more high profile cities have had to abandon them, and more studies have concluded they don't make anyone safer.  $o why would we recon$ider the i$$ue?

We are very behind the curve, but I suspect Tulsa leaders will float that balloon until someone gives them the response they want.

I didnt see it on the published agenda.

[Vashta Nerada]

You might have mentioned that.

Yes, you are right.
And I noticed the story vanished after airing all day Monday.  TV reporters have a bad habit of just taking handouts and running with it.

[patric]

The only thing that has changed is that more scandals have erupted around red light cameras, more high profile cities have had to abandon them, and more studies have concluded they don't make anyone safer.  $o why would we recon$ider the i$$ue?

Pretty much echoing this thread:


Bill banning red-light cameras passes Oklahoma Senate
https://newsok.com/article/5625011/bill-banning-red-light-cameras-passes-oklahoma-senate

A bill prohibiting the use of red-light cameras in the state was approved Tuesday by the Oklahoma Senate.

Senate Bill 260, authored by state Sen. Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow, would forbid the use of the devices, which are automated to take photos of vehicles that pass through intersections during a red traffic light.

There are no red-light cameras in Oklahoma, Dahm said. If one were installed, a law enforcement officer would have to witness the crime in person or review video before a citation could be issued. Citations issued without an officer involved are subject to a penalty, he said.

"My intent with this was to make sure we put the prohibition in there so that, in the future, if that penalty were to be changed, it still wouldn't open it up for those red-light cameras," Dahm said.

Dahm said there haven't been many questions or debate on the bill regarding the controversial devices. The bill passed the Senate 46-1, with one state senator excused from the vote, and will move on to the House.

"A lot of states that have those red-light cameras — they've been removing them," Dahm said. "I think the last I checked there's at least 10 states that have prohibition on them also."

Dahm said studies show wrecks increase at intersections where the cameras have been installed. He said some municipalities in other states have decreased the time limit of a yellow light to increase the likelihood of a red-light violation, with the intent of raising revenue.

In Texas, where the cameras are currently used, legislators also are trying to ban the devices. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said last year that the cameras are expensive, may increase accidents and pose constitutional issues.

Dahm said other states have had problems with the cameras "false-identifying" vehicles and drivers.

[patric]

Bill banning red-light cameras passes Oklahoma Senate
https://newsok.com/article/5625011/bill-banning-red-light-cameras-passes-oklahoma-senate

Texas outlaws "photographic traffic signal enforcement systems"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/red-light-cameras-texas-governor-greg-abbott-new-law

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/pdf/HB01631F.pdf

[patric]

How to keep Tulsans from running red lights without handing out more tickets

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/michael-overall-how-to-keep-tulsans-from-running-red-lights/article_59fd6776-1e9d-5bdc-abbd-1f8444636b39.html