Trump

[cynical]

And Johnson himself at the time said he was having an "Aleppo moment." He knows what that means. So he doesn't agree with Conan either.

Yeah, that's splitting it pretty thin Conan. He couldn't name a leader because he ....just couldn't. I don't mind the guy as a candidate but he doesn't believe in climate change (we're going to run into the sun anyway) and he supports Citizens' United which is to say, he loves that corporate voter!

I want competence on domestic issues and clear thinking on global affairs. Even though I tired of Clintons way back and don't look forward to even more animosity from entrenched idealogues, she has both of those and is the best candidate offered up. Republicans had a chance and blew it. And Hoss is so right. Build your party up from the bottom in off election periods and stop showing up uninvited at the wedding party.

[heironymouspasparagus]

If people think like you do and say "Johnson has no chance" he won't.  I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a flake celebrity and supposed business mogul or someone who is the poster woman for how broken and corrupt Washington is. 

You will never get the change you seek if you are unwilling to be a part of that change.

Tried the 'changey' thing in the 60's and 70's.   Now, some of it seems to be bearing fruit, so I am fine with what has been accomplished.  Doesn't mean I won't keep bitchin' about stuff....

The biggest thing about Hillary is that for the most part, she has remained comparatively constant over the years... like Trump has not.  We know exactly where she is coming from, so can adapt and push back at the appropriate places.

It's just a crying shame Mitch McConnell isn't smart enough to realize what is coming down the road - no matter which of these two clowns wins!!  No one ever gets everything they want, but if he and the rest of the Senate RW is so stupid as to think a better Supreme Court nominee is coming from either of them, well we really are in huge trouble.

[Red Arrow]

You will never get the change you seek if you are unwilling to be a part of that change.

A lot of people think that only applies to getting rid of Republicans because the worst Democrat has to be better than the best Republican.

[Hoss]

A lot of people think that only applies to getting rid of Republicans because the worst Democrat has to be better than the best Republican.

I would LOVE to vote for a third-party candidate.  But as I've said, if those candidates decide that all they want to are Presidential election spoilers (or try to be), they'll never be taken seriously.  Get a libertarian or a green party candidate to win some state house seats, some federal congressional positions then maybe.  I've looked at both of the 3p candidates and can't bring myself to vote for either of them.  I'm not voting for Trump for sure.  But as many people have said, voting for Clinton or not voting in Oklahoma is really a wasted vote because we all know what color this state will go.

[swake]

The NY AG's office is expanding the probe in the Trump Foundation after finding that it illegally has been accepting outside money without the charitable cerification needed from the State of New York and without the required audits.

This is on top of the current investigation into Trump's illegal self dealing with the foundation's money.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-foundation-new-york-attorney-general-investigation-228916

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/30/trump-foundation-certification/91308630/

[cannon_fodder]

The NY AG's office is expanding the probe in the Trump Foundation after finding that it illegally has been accepting outside money without the charitable cerification needed from the State of New York and without the required audits.

This is on top of the current investigation into Trump's illegal self dealing with the foundation's money.

Sure... Trump's University is likely to be found an overt fraud in violation of a slew of laws.

And Trump has a disturbing history of racism he apparently learned from his father. He does stiff small business owners. He thinks being rich enough to not have to pay taxes is a plus. He refuses to release any personal information while bashing other people for refusing to do the same. He does lie more than any other presidential candidate in the history of the union, so far as fact checkers can find out almost twice as much as anyone else. Its also true that his primary claim to fame is that he was born rich in a family with connections and he has managed to stay rich. And yes, he has said horrible things about women, hispanic people, and poor people. Its also true that he is a "native" bigot. Sure, sure he believes in conspiracy theories about global warming, 911, the birther thing, the second gunman ont he grasy knoll (clearly Teds father) and many more. Yes, he is so thin skinned he can be goaded into outbursts on twitter by Joe Blow. Sure most people only know his name because he was a realty TV star. Alright, most sources don't think he's nearly as rich as he pretends to me. Yeah yeah, it seems he has cheated on his wives and bragged about it. Yes, his current wife did have nude pictures in magazines even as he mocks other women for doing porn. Yes, most of his businesses have failed. He did manage to run his casinos into bankruptcy, screwing investors while he walked away with a ton of cash. Sure, he didn't actually write the books he's best known for. Yeah, he doesn't know anything about world politics, economics, or running a country. And no, he never has been accountable to anyone but himself. Yes he has mocked veterans, handicap people, foreign people, women, the media, and every political opponent he has ever had. Sure, he did donate money to his current rival and say she was great a few years back. And yes, he has changed his position recently on abortion, gun control, isolationism, and a ton of other core beliefs...

But Hillary's husband cheated on her, and there's that email thing.

[swake]

Sure... Trump's University is likely to be found an overt fraud in violation of a slew of laws.

And Trump has a disturbing history of racism he apparently learned from his father. He does stiff small business owners. He thinks being rich enough to not have to pay taxes is a plus. He refuses to release any personal information while bashing other people for refusing to do the same. He does lie more than any other presidential candidate in the history of the union, so far as fact checkers can find out almost twice as much as anyone else. Its also true that his primary claim to fame is that he was born rich in a family with connections and he has managed to stay rich. And yes, he has said horrible things about women, hispanic people, and poor people. Its also true that he is a "native" bigot. Sure, sure he believes in conspiracy theories about global warming, 911, the birther thing, the second gunman ont he grasy knoll (clearly Teds father) and many more. Yes, he is so thin skinned he can be goaded into outbursts on twitter by Joe Blow. Sure most people only know his name because he was a realty TV star. Alright, most sources don't think he's nearly as rich as he pretends to me. Yeah yeah, it seems he has cheated on his wives and bragged about it. Yes, his current wife did have nude pictures in magazines even as he mocks other women for doing porn. Yes, most of his businesses have failed. He did manage to run his casinos into bankruptcy, screwing investors while he walked away with a ton of cash. Sure, he didn't actually write the books he's best known for. Yeah, he doesn't know anything about world politics, economics, or running a country. And no, he never has been accountable to anyone but himself. Yes he has mocked veterans, handicap people, foreign people, women, the media, and every political opponent he has ever had. Sure, he did donate money to his current rival and say she was great a few years back. And yes, he has changed his position recently on abortion, gun control, isolationism, and a ton of other core beliefs...

But Hillary's husband cheated on her, and there's that email thing.

+1

You forgot that he illegally paid off at least two state's attorney general (Texas and Florida) with campaign contributions (one additionally illegally from his "foundation") to kill investigations into his "university". He even admitted to and bragged about paying off non-specific politicians!

The reality distortion field around this man for people to be able to support his is astounding.

[swake]

We can now add "Porn Star" to the list of Trump's accomplishments. Trump appeared in a 2000 Playboy porn video.

buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-appeared-in-a-2000-playboy-softcore-porn?utm_term=.ek4J9A0DK#.cvqejkwxO

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Couple of articles on the brilliant man with the lead thumb instead of the golden touch..........

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-best-reads/2016/03/18/how-phoenix-residents-dumped-donald-trump-hotel-plans/81229026/

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/21/donald-trump-spotlight-29/81860676/

[Hoss]

The question was to name a foreign leader Johnson respected.  If I were asked, on spur of the moment, to pick a current foreign leader I respect, I'd be hard-pressed to name one.  Give me a few minutes, and I'm sure I could name a few.

Actually, it was favorite foreign leader, and then Matthews went on to ask to just name any leader when he couldn't get one out.

[erfalf]

This is how I can justify voting against Hillary Clinton. It's not Clinton or Trump that scare me the most, it is the people they will pick and choose to do their bidding.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/furious-rick-santelli-rages-janets-jawboning-please-dont-help-anymore

If this doesn't alarm any of you, well, I don't know what that says about you or me I guess.

More background:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/yellen-says-fed-purchases-of-stocks-corporate-bonds-could-help-in-a-downturn.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/fed-committed-to-diverse-workforce-and-senior-leadership-yellen-says-1475179202'

And for a little context, this was a pull quote from an article years ago prior to Yellen's appointment. It pretty much sums up this election.

"She's wrong on policy, but she's a darn good, decent, wonderful person." Richard W. Fisher, Pres of Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

Her recent actions seem to have confirmed Mr. Fisher's opinion.

So, do you vote for the "good person" or the right policy?

[AquaMan]

I am weighing the descriptions of that link in my mind. Is it just utterly boring or financial porn.

Since I'm at a loss for smarty pants words this morning I'll just blurt it out. This is sophisticated financial doomsday conspiracy theorist junk. Ranks up there with Trade Towers brought down by the gubmint only with more detailed defense and a better website. It always amazes me that people who get so wrapped up in their own trades, in this case financial, seem to think that makes them experts on everything from history to futurism. One thing for sure in these scenarios, Democrats are the evil ones, Obama is Muslim, Hillary is seriously ill and the new world order is eminent after WWIII and only Trump could have saved us but his ego got in the way.

I guess you're the new replacement for Gas.

[Hoss]

...I guess you're the new replacement for Gas.

I would agree with that assessement.  ZeroHedge?  OK.

[erfalf]

I would agree with that assessement.  ZeroHedge?  OK.

Yellen (not some coo coo blog) is proposing allowing the fed to purchase equities. Now, get over yourselves and discuss this real possibility discussed by real people.

Or does this not disturb anyone? Say it does come to be. Are you ok with it?

[heironymouspasparagus]

A lot of people think that only applies to getting rid of Republicans because the worst Democrat has to be better than the best Republican.

Not me.  I liked John McCain.  And even Mitt.  Obama has turned out to be a reasonable moderate Republican.

In this years case - yeah, sort of - the worst Democrat is better than the worst "Republican".