Iron Gate

[sgrizzle]

Too bad the Pearl District didn't get Form Based Code...I'm told by a local real estate attorney Iron Gate would have had no issue moving into the property if the zoning and code had been updated the way the district folks wanted.

I also heard they could have zoned commercial, no-one would have known, and construction would have started by now.

TulsaNow and others urged them to be more up front and transparent not realizing that covert and backhanded was the only way to get it built.

[rdj]

I also heard they could have zoned commercial, no-one would have known, and construction would have started by now.

TulsaNow and others urged them to be more up front and transparent not realizing that covert and backhanded was the only way to get it built.

I was among those encouraging my friends on the board to meet with the Pearl District folks about the project.  I was wrong in my impression that the compassion many of those in that area show in their personal lives would spill over into their real estate and business dealings.  Where I was most wrong was in underestimating the resistance that would come from the "East Village" folks.  From what I've gathered the ringleader of the resistance was a business owner inside the IDL.  Never thought that would happen, but you never know.

I think you've stumble on another T-Shirt idea...Tulsa, Covert & Backhanded Is the Only Way.  You should start selling these at Blake Ewing's t-shirt shop.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

I was among those encouraging my friends on the board to meet with the Pearl District folks about the project.  I was wrong in my impression that the compassion many of those in that area show in their personal lives would spill over into their real estate and business dealings.  Where I was most wrong was in underestimating the resistance that would come from the "East Village" folks.  From what I've gathered the ringleader of the resistance was a business owner inside the IDL.  Never thought that would happen, but you never know.

I think you've stumble on another T-Shirt idea...Tulsa, Covert & Backhanded Is the Only Way.  You should start selling these at Blake Ewing's t-shirt shop.

Blake Ewing was very vocal in supporting Iron Gate's decision to move there. During the city counsel meeting, he showed full support.

[rdj]

Blake Ewing was very vocal in supporting Iron Gate's decision to move there. During the city counsel meeting, he showed full support.

I don't mean Blake...although he is a compassionate fellow from what I know.

[patric]

Too bad the Pearl District didn't get Form Based Code...I'm told by a local real estate attorney Iron Gate would have had no issue moving into the property if the zoning and code had been updated the way the district folks wanted.

Much like the county wanted to slip a juvenile jail in the middle of a northside commercial rejuvenation plan?

[sgrizzle]

Much like the county wanted to slip a juvenile jail in the middle of a northside commercial rejuvenation plan?

Injecting a young workforce

[Vision 2025]

Much like the county wanted to slip a juvenile jail in the middle of a northside commercial rejuvenation plan?

You mean by bringing professional employment to the area? 

[patric]

You mean by bringing professional employment to the area? 

"Jailer" is professional employment?  Oh, I forgot about Jail Cook and Jail Nurse and the guy that keeps the $5/minute phone system running.

[Vision 2025]

"Jailer" is professional employment?  Oh, I forgot about Jail Cook and Jail Nurse and the guy that keeps the $5/minute phone system running.

What jailers, Juvenile is not a Jail it is a small short term detention facility, an office building, a school and a court house.  For employment, let's try multiple Judges, Attorneys, Law Clerks, Teachers, Therapists, a few Deputies and yes a cook or two.

[AquaMan]

Right. Those judges, attorneys, law clerks and teachers are going to move into the neighborhoods and help upgrade the community. Like they did the Gilcrease facility.

[swake]

Right. Those judges, attorneys, law clerks and teachers are going to move into the neighborhoods and help upgrade the community. Like they did the Gilcrease facility.

If it was located at the Storey Wrecker site they might live in Brady or Brady Heights.

[AquaMan]

True enough.

There are professionals in north and west Tulsa. Moton clinic, OU med services, OSU has a presence, lots of lawyers, doctors, teachers and middle level bureaucrats with professional jobs. Of course its not Jenks or Owasso but they make do.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

Believe it or not, it has been almost a year since we last heard any updates about this:

Iron Gate officials eyeing new location downtown

Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:11 pm
By Mike Averill Tulsa World | 0 comments
Officials with Iron Gate say they have found "the perfect site" to build a new soup kitchen and emergency grocery pantry.
The agency, which is currently housed at Trinity Episcopal Church, is looking at a 1.5-acre spot between Seventh and Eighth streets and Elgin and Kenosha avenues in downtown Tulsa to build a new location that would house the soup kitchen, pantry and administrative offices.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/iron-gate-officials-eyeing-new-location-downtown/article_c0664b07-7f96-579b-8d87-df654eb002e4.html

https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B009'04.0%22N+95%C2%B058'59.3%22W/@36.1511213,-95.9837997,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d36.15112!4d-95.983149

You could argue that this could even be a worse placement for this than the previous spot. 3rd and Peoria still has nothing of note right there even though there quite a bit of businesses/development in the general vicinity. It looks like this spot will be just south of the Nordam development. It will be on the same block as the Crossfit and the Broadway (venue?) across from Home Depot. Not the worst placement but will make the Nordam development a tougher sell on this side unless they have the rights to close off that street and make it a gated community (which I doubt).

[davideinstein]

There's never a good spot for a homeless shelter, but the wealthier the area the better if we are looking to address the problem at hand.

[Bamboo World]

Not the worst placement but will make the Nordam development a tougher sell on this side unless they have the rights to close off that street and make it a gated community (which I doubt).

Kenosha and Lansing between 4th & 6th are private streets, as are both 5th Street & 5th Place between Kenosha and Lansing.  The streets have been private for many years.  The developers could close, gate, and/or remove those streets, if they wish.  Much of 5th between Frankfort and Kenosha already has been closed and removed for decades, as has the entire 400 block of South Greenwood.

Google Maps "Street View" looking northwest from "5th & Greenwood" (although there are no actual streets at that "intersection" anymore, and haven't been for a very long time)