Panhandling/loitering at intersections

[Conan71]

$200.00 fine for giving money to a panhandler.

You won't get fine money from the panhandler but the city can squeeze it from the person handing out the dough.

There actually has to be someone to write the ticket.  We don't even ticket red light runners as it is now and that's an increasingly common occurrence.

[Townsend]

There actually has to be someone to write the ticket.  We don't even ticket red light runners as it is now and that's an increasingly common occurrence.

It'd give people a reason to not do it.  I think some people give money to these jacks because they feel guilty. 

But if they can tell themselves "I can't because it's not legal..."

[saintnicster]

It'd give people a reason to not do it.  I think some people give money to these jacks because they feel guilty.  

But if they can tell themselves "I can't because it's not legal..."

Drinking and Driving

No seatbelt while driving

Smoking pot

jaywalking

not to mention the bigger stuff that people still do that is illegal.  Having laws that aren't enforced just clutter up the rulebooks.

[patric]

There actually has to be someone to write the ticket.  We don't even ticket red light runners as it is now and that's an increasingly common occurrence.

We do when there is grant money to pay for overtime.

[sgrizzle]

How about we not bother with the law and just put up signs. Kinda like people do with home alarm systems.

[Red Arrow]

How about we not bother with the law and just put up signs. Kinda like people do with home alarm systems.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[carltonplace]

13th and Utica on Saturday, a girl standing next to her bicycle with a sign that read: "Just 17 and need help"

She appeared to be partnered with the male sitting at 14th and Utica with his bike hidden behind the traffic light control box and the 3rd person that was hiding up under the overpass with his bike. All seemed very young, clean and decently dressed.

I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a syndicate pimping these people. 

[Townsend]

Drinking and Driving

No seatbelt while driving

Smoking pot

jaywalking

not to mention the bigger stuff that people still do that is illegal.  Having laws that aren't enforced just clutter up the rulebooks.

That wasn't my point.  It gives a person who feels guilty about not helping the panhandler a reason to not help the panhandler.

[saintnicster]

How about we not bother with the law and just put up signs. Kinda like people do with home alarm systems.

The signs are already up in Brady, have been since May 2014 http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/anti-panhandling-signs-hung-in-brady-district/article_57bc0b14-e3c9-5c76-a063-fd31f20e2ba6.html

[sgrizzle]

13th and Utica on Saturday, a girl standing next to her bicycle with a sign that read: "Just 17 and need help"

She appeared to be partnered with the male sitting at 14th and Utica with his bike hidden behind the traffic light control box and the 3rd person that was hiding up under the overpass with his bike. All seemed very young, clean and decently dressed.

I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a syndicate pimping these people. 

I've watched shift change before where someone new comes up, the panhandler hands over the sign to the new panhandler, and then heads home.

[Conan71]

I've watched shift change before where someone new comes up, the panhandler hands over the sign to the new panhandler, and then heads home.

You suppose there's an extension course for that? 

How to effectively panhandle.  In this course we will discuss:

• Intersection selection
  Use of props including cute puppies and small children
  How to dress to create a pathetic persona
  What to write on your sign
  When is "God Bless You" appropriate
  Tag-teaming with friends
  Panhandler's Union membership pros & cons
  

[DolfanBob]

You suppose there's an extension course for that? 

How to effectively panhandle.  In this course we will discuss:

• Intersection selection
  Use of props including cute puppies and small children
  How to dress to create a pathetic persona
  What to write on your sign
  When is "God Bless You" appropriate
  Tag-teaming with friends
  Panhandler's Union membership pros & cons
  

What a great idea.
Where to park your bike or car without detection.
What corners are the highest traffic and what time of day for the biggest donations.
Beard or no Beard? (male)
Pregnant female for higher results?

All topics would be discussed. No ideas to small or inappropriate.
Meetings will be held at Mohawk Park. And free busing will be provided by Willie George Ministries.
OK maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. 

[dbacksfan 2.0]

The signs are already up in Brady, have been since May 2014 http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/anti-panhandling-signs-hung-in-brady-district/article_57bc0b14-e3c9-5c76-a063-fd31f20e2ba6.html

I think the concern about the signs put up in the Brady area would make people not want to visit is unfounded. I think it makes it nicer, because if you discourage people from giving them money it tends to push the panhandlers away from that area and visitors might feel less intimidated. I don't think putting up signs at intersections without the possibility of any fine on the people in cars giving money is pointless, because it can be debated that they are impeding the flow of traffic. Iff you are going to do it it has to have some bite to it.

[Conan71]

What a great idea.
Where to park your bike or car without detection.
What corners are the highest traffic and what time of day for the biggest donations.
Beard or no Beard? (male)
Pregnant female for higher results?

All topics would be discussed. No ideas to small or inappropriate.
Meetings will be held at Mohawk Park. And free busing will be provided by Willie George Ministries.
OK maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. 

Run with it!

[godboko71]

Always interesting watching the vans pick up and drop them off. Definitely not a job I could do, at least when you're a chicken or a lady liberty with a sign you have a wage and are hardly ever holding up traffic.

Also sad when they forget their expensive watch or high dollar shoes, yeah got the "dirty" coat however your $200 brand new shoes and really nice watch tell me you don't need help. Some may very well be panhandlers however more and more seem to be self employed beggars who make way more then far to many honestly employed people. 

No solution to offer just an observation, sad one at that.