PAC Trust selects developer

[heironymouspasparagus]

Think Sprouts would try an urban store here? They would be my #2 choice after Reasor's.  

Sprouts is always #1 in a comparison with Reasor's.... actually there is no comparison.

[heironymouspasparagus]

That's just an excuse.   Reasor's be strapped for cash.
Being your closest competitor is generally considered a good thing.  Doesn't leave room for anyone else.  It seems to be QT's philosophy.

Yeah, well maybe if Reasor's hadn't turned into such a$$hats, they would not be having those problems.


I did notice the gasoline cartel in town has actually started to bring prices down just a tiny bit.  Still 20 cents higher than the $1.96 I filled at on Monday evening in OKC area.

[Townsend]

I guess this is going to be called the "Annex".  http://flco.com/company-properties/the-annex/

Annex - a subsidiary building or an addition to a building

The name practically spews gooey excitement.

[swake]

Anyone remember The Annex Mall on 41st?

[cannon_fodder]

Annex: a building joined to or associated with a main building, providing additional space or accommodations.

That the definition of annex.  The Wright Building has an annex.  The Courthouse has an annex.  So does the Tulsa Welding school, TCC, and several buildings at the University of Tulsa.   Among many others, of course.  This is a new development - it isn't adding on to or adjoining any building is it?  Will it be the PAC Annex? 

Im confused. 

[BKDotCom]

[Conan71]

Anyone remember The Annex Mall on 41st?

Sure do right by Southroads.  I still remember the Southroads Cinema as well.

[Hoss]

Sure do right by Southroads.  I still remember the Southroads Cinema as well.

I remember the Annex 7 also.  I remember seeing the first Star Trek movie there.

[sgrizzle]

I might have to channel Jamie Jamieson and say why does the grocery store need 35,000sqft? Trader Joes is 8k-12k. Braums packs a decent grocery area into about 1k. A store that size offers a lot of variety but that also means a lot of inventory and overhead. A 35,000sqft store has to make a lot more money than one half the size or less.

Since Tulsa basically has little grocery competition, maybe someone can try to get Publix to swing in and take the spot. Here's their contact info: http://ww2.publix.com/realestate/SiteSubmission.do

[TheArtist]

I might have to channel Jamie Jamieson and say why does the grocery store need 35,000sqft? Trader Joes is 8k-12k. Braums packs a decent grocery area into about 1k. A store that size offers a lot of variety but that also means a lot of inventory and overhead. A 35,000sqft store has to make a lot more money than one half the size or less.

Since Tulsa basically has little grocery competition, maybe someone can try to get Publix to swing in and take the spot. Here's their contact info: http://ww2.publix.com/realestate/SiteSubmission.do

I agree, if they were doing their math on a $35,000 sq ft store, surely the numbers wouldn't add up.  A 2-3,000 sq ft corner/neighborhood store would do nicely and eventually I could see several of that size downtown.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

I agree, if they were doing their math on a $35,000 sq ft store, surely the numbers wouldn't add up.  A 2-3,000 sq ft corner/neighborhood store would do nicely and eventually I could see several of that size downtown.

The numbers likely won't add up now, but that should be growing as more housing is added. Plus, creating a great urban grocery place where people can gather and hang out on rooftop and get a cheap lunch could create a different market (lots of frugal people work downtown, bringing their own lunches, but would be more likely to go to a grocery store for lunch food items and would be convenient stop after work).

Recently, 2 new corner stores opened up downtown: The Goods Bodega in the Brady District at 107 M.L.K. Jr Blvd and First Street Market in the First Street Lofts in Blue Dome. The Goods Bodega is more of a lunch/breakfast carry out place with a few essentials and quick-prepare options. I haven't been to the First Street Market but seems like more of a convenience/corner store with cigs/beer and they plan on adding some hot convenient-store food.

Neither has a large selection that you'd expect from a grocery store but they're both close to 2,000 sq ft or more including back space. I think downtown needs a middle-sized grocery store at least, something like 8-15,000 sq ft (around typical Walgreens). It needs to have enough selection to realistically keep people in the IDL. Smaller stores are infamous for having higher markup (even if that isn't always the case) so if you need anything more than a quick snack or something small, the cost savings of going to an actual grocery store outweigh the inconvenience of just driving. Wherever the first grocery store goes in, it will still be a decent walk for most who live downtown. So it needs to have a legitimate grocery selection with thousands of items.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

I might have to channel Jamie Jamieson and say why does the grocery store need 35,000sqft? Trader Joes is 8k-12k. Braums packs a decent grocery area into about 1k. A store that size offers a lot of variety but that also means a lot of inventory and overhead. A 35,000sqft store has to make a lot more money than one half the size or less.

Since Tulsa basically has little grocery competition, maybe someone can try to get Publix to swing in and take the spot. Here's their contact info: http://ww2.publix.com/realestate/SiteSubmission.do

They might just have that large of an allotment to be able to lure a larger chain with the option of scaling down their space. Sounds like they need to publicize lots of prime real estate available for large grocery store to open the doors for just about any grocery chain then they can modify layout based on who they get. For a project this large, they probably want a locked-down lease before they start moving dirt and end up with a custom size/layout that won't work for some other grocery chain.


I wonder if Walmart Neighborhood market might step in. Seems like an ideal spot for Whole Foods, almost 5 miles from the other location and in a spot right in the middle of their target demographic.

[Townsend]

I might have to channel Jamie Jamieson and say why does the grocery store need 35,000sqft? Trader Joes is 8k-12k. Braums packs a decent grocery area into about 1k. A store that size offers a lot of variety but that also means a lot of inventory and overhead. A 35,000sqft store has to make a lot more money than one half the size or less.

Since Tulsa basically has little grocery competition, maybe someone can try to get Publix to swing in and take the spot. Here's their contact info: http://ww2.publix.com/realestate/SiteSubmission.do

How the Supermarket Has Changed in the Last 30 Years

http://fortune.com/2017/03/15/supermarket-changes-fresh-goods/

Your supermarket has seriously upgraded its offerings in the past few years—but there's also been a real change to its actual footprint. According to the Food Marketing Institute, the median total store size was 42,800 square feet in 2015, up from 35,100 square feet in 1994.

[hello]

I agree, if they were doing their math on a $35,000 sq ft store, surely the numbers wouldn't add up.  A 2-3,000 sq ft corner/neighborhood store would do nicely and eventually I could see several of that size downtown.

Goodness I hope not. If it's not going to be an actual grocery store than I'm most likely going to keep going to Reasors on 15th or Brookside. I'd rather have a CVS than another expensive bodega.

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

Goodness I hope not. If it's not going to be an actual grocery store than I'm most likely going to keep going to Reasors on 15th or Brookside. I'd rather have a CVS than another expensive bodega.

I agree. In my opinion, downtown needs a full-service grocery store and preferably one with enough perks/features that will actually draw in people from outside the IDL. Tulsa is so easy to get around and people are very price-sensitive with shopping at grocery stores (lots of frugal people). Downtown grocery should be a bit like the Reasors on Brookside but with a much better patio area and more hot items.

Central Market is a perfect example of a grocery store that's a destination. Tons of quick ready-to-eat items, huge  bakery, and all the essentials plus formidable wine/beer selection (which will be an option next year). I think Reasors could pull it off if they were committed. I hope they take advantage, but sounds unlikely at this point.