5 Story Parking Garage on 4th & Main

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

I will give it a try  

Its such an ugly, strange looking piece of metal. Bet its pretty heavy too. Will cost me a lot to haul it off but I will be willing to do it as a favor.  

Also, I may have underestimated its scrap metal value...

http://artist.christies.com/Harry-Bertoia--11973.aspx

https://www.bonhams.com/press_release/13305/

I am trying to remember.  Years ago I saw one that was similar to the one in Tulsa, but smaller, go for, was it $500,000 or 5 mill?  Cant recall.  Think it was purchased by the Philly Museum of Art, may do some research.  Anyway, I always thought it so odd that the one here is just sitting outside in some hole with nary a mention about it as being one of the most significant pieces of art downtown.

When I saw this, I was also disappointed it was that spot because of this. I hope it can be relocated downtown or at least preserved. I would guess he knows it is a valuable are piece by a renown artist. Maybe they can even keep a spot for it nearby or in the new garage but I doubt that.

[cannon_fodder]

Looking at the permit map, it isn't clear if the parking garage is going to cover the section that includes the fountain, it shows it being permitted for the 415 S. Main St. Lot, which is south (ish) of the lot which contains the statue.  That doesn't mean the map is incomplete, I didn't pull all the data.  See for yourself...
http://maps.cityoftulsa.org/permits/

[SXSW]

It's hard to tell what the extent of this will be and if it also includes the little surface parking lot to the south?  If it stretches from the sidewalk on 4th all the way to the north edge of the building at 5th & Main that would be prime retail/reataurant frontage.  Hopefully then the the garage entrance/exit would be off 4th with a corner retail space at 4th & Main.

Here is a pic I found of the Bertoia fountain, hope it gets moved somewhere else downtown:

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

hope it gets moved somewhere else downtown

Middle of Bartlett Square?

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

Middle of Bartlett Square?

Or add it to Centenial Green at 6th and Main. That park needs some more anchor features. I think that has been discussed on this board.

[Red Arrow]

Middle of Bartlett Square?

It might be safer in Owasso since their cheerleaders run over stuff in downtown Tulsa.

[Bamboo World]

I wonder if the existing auditorium will remain intact ... or if it might be demolished for additional parking spaces.

[Weatherdemon]

It might be safer in Owasso since their cheerleaders run over stuff in downtown Tulsa.

Come on now...
It's the cheerleaders moms 

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

Permits issued.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/city-issues-permit-for--story-parking-garage-in-heart/article_f537992d-c361-5395-9c26-ea27f25d16b5.html

[AdamsHall]

Wondering if having this garage will help make a rework of the Parker Building (3rd & Main) more feasible.  If I recall correctly, lack of parking doomed the most recently announced project for that building.

[SXSW]

Permits issued.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/city-issues-permit-for--story-parking-garage-in-heart/article_f537992d-c361-5395-9c26-ea27f25d16b5.html

Is there a way to view the permit drawings online? 

[dsjeffries]

Is there a way to view the permit drawings online? 

Nope. You have to file an Open Records Request and then view them in person.

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

Nope. You have to file an Open Records Request and then view them in person.

Are you allowed to photocopy and/or photograph them in there?

[dsjeffries]

Are you allowed to photocopy and/or photograph them in there?

I was allowed to take pictures. I didn't ask about photocopies, but that might be an option (though probably with a fee).

[Bamboo World]

Tonight, at the Cox Business Center, Jeff Speck showed a rendering of the proposed parking garage, looking toward the southeast corner of 4th & Main.

Several people in the audience sitting near me groaned audibly when they saw the parking garage rendering.  And I can't blame them: It was one of the most hideous design renderings I've ever seen proposed for downtown Tulsa, and I've seen dozens of proposals over the decades.  In my opinion, the proposed parking garage design is truly AWFUL.

I think Jeff Speck's intent by showing the rendering was to give an example of the type of development the City of Tulsa should NOT allow downtown.  Another "never do this" example showed by Jeff Speck was a rendering for the Jackson Technical building under construction near 6th & Elgin.

Near the end of Jeff Speck's presentation, during the Q & A time, a young man (Garden Deva's son??) approached the microphone and offered a "clarification" about the proposed parking garage at 4th & Main.  It was his understanding that the parking facility would include retail at the sidewalk level, or at least had been designed so it "could" include retail space in the future.  I think the young man was trying to emphasize that the rendering showed was an old drawing -- not the current design.

I agree with BKDotCom:  Constructing another parking garage seems short-sighted.  Self-driving vehicles will become common soon, I think.

To me, this seems like an expensive proposal for an extremely ugly, anti-urban structure that probably will sit empty most of the time on a prime piece of real estate.  

*Edited to remove unnecessary name-calling