NEW QT - 15th and Lewis

[Oil Capital]

That style store could be pushed to the sidewalk with half the number of pumps and fewer parking spaces on a much smaller footprint and be a plus to an urban area.

It could indeed, but that's pretty irrelevant to a discussion of the 15th & Lewis area.

[BKDotCom]

It could indeed, but that's pretty irrelevant to a discussion of the 15th & Lewis area.

Let's just agree that redevelopment/infill should create more density, not less.

[sgrizzle]

Let's just agree that redevelopment/infill should create more density, not less.

Some people are more dense

[patric]

Some people are more dense

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.

[sgrizzle]

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.

That site mostly makes me angry

[BKDotCom]

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.

Does that logic also apply to the Admiral & Memorial Wal-Mart?

[BKDotCom]

Was that the one with the shooting last night?  Who knows.  Maybe the poster just thought they hang around for free coffee.

dunno... constant police presence...   Drain on the police force.    Supposedly the highest loss Wal-Mart of them all.  Due to all the theft....   Was closed for several months due to "plumbing issues"

[dsjeffries]

That style store could be pushed to the sidewalk with half the number of pumps and fewer parking spaces on a much smaller footprint and be a plus to an urban area.

This QT in Fort Worth is placed at the corner, with the pumps in the back. It's not perfect (there's no entrance facing the sidewalk, and it's obviously the back side) but it's a lot better than what they do to our street corners here.

1101 Hemphill

And this is the famous gasless, urban QT on Peachtree in Atlanta. It has parking behind the building, meets the sidewalk, includes plenty of transparency (windows), etc.


They also have better landscaping in cities that require it.

[commonsense]

We need to figure out what to do with our growing collection of dead or abandoned QuikTrips scattered throughout the city, each of which has deed restrictions preventing other fuel sales. The new one at 15th & Lewis will be there only 20 years or so before they decide to abandon it for the southwest corner.

From Tulsa World, May 11, 2014:

Unsentimental
On its way to building a growing national chain of 696 stores, the Tulsa convenience store company has closed more locations than it has opened.

"There are a lot of reasons we move, and it's not always because the store isn't making money," QuikTrip spokesman Mike Thornbrugh said. "Traffic patterns change, sometimes we need more land, or maybe a store just isn't living up to our expectations."

In Tulsa alone the company has built 217 stores since the first "QuickTrip" opened in 1958. Today the company has just 70 stores, and QuikTrip has moved and closed stores as metrics and demographics change.

"You don't last very long if you are sentimental in this business," Thornbrugh said. "We want the best locations."[/b]

...

Some stretches of road in Tulsa have two or three former QuikTrip locations. QT has occupied three corners of 51st Street and Union Avenue during its history, and the new store at Interstate 44 and Peoria Avenue is catty-corner from the location of the very first QuikTrip store opened by Chester Cadieux in 1953.

They build for expediency, for quick profits, then dump their locations when another corner at the same intersection opens up, complete with deed restrictions and boarded up windows, neighborhood be damned. County property taxes be damned. Competition be damned.

They are not the kindly, thoughtful, generous company they try to make themselves out to be. "Hey, don't think about us bullying your neighborhood and trying to skirt the City's rules on lighting, landscaping, or fencing - we just gave $3 million to a park! We're awesome!"

They exist for one reason: to sell candy, cigarettes, and gasoline; and they don't care what effects they have on anyone else around them.

It's easy to outsell the competition when you own almost every corner in town.

Has anyone tried to map all their abandoned stores?

[patric]

This QT in Fort Worth is placed at the corner, with the pumps in the back. It's not perfect (there's no entrance facing the sidewalk, and it's obviously the back side) but it's a lot better than what they do to our street corners here.

Its pretty much a dressed-up back wall
https://goo.gl/maps/ZdH4CL5ATJ92
but the Atlanta example would be promising if selling gas to Broken Arrow Expressway traffic weren't the primary goal here.

[patric]

We need to figure out what to do with our growing collection of dead or abandoned QuikTrips scattered throughout the city, each of which has deed restrictions preventing other fuel sales. The new one at 15th & Lewis will be there only 20 years or so before they decide to abandon it for the southwest corner.

From Tulsa World, May 11, 2014:
They build for expediency, for quick profits, then dump their locations when another corner at the same intersection opens up, complete with deed restrictions and boarded up windows, neighborhood be damned. County property taxes be damned. Competition be damned.

They are not the kindly, thoughtful, generous company they try to make themselves out to be. "Hey, don't think about us bullying your neighborhood and trying to skirt the City's rules on lighting, landscaping, or fencing - we just gave $3 million to a park! We're awesome!"

They exist for one reason: to sell candy, cigarettes, and gasoline; and they don't care what effects they have on anyone else around them.

It's easy to outsell the competition when you own almost every corner in town.

Has anyone tried to map all their abandoned stores?

Apparently people on NextDoor.com are still being told this will not be the mega-QT (Gen. 3) but a new, smaller design.
I would totally love to see that but, as pointed out here, QT is only building their biggest model these days.
...and the plan announced from the beginning was for the big store with a big sign you can see from the expressway.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/quiktrip-planning-new-location-at-th-and-lewis/article_fda66471-547a-58c2-be2d-cc3d7f4c0e52.html

[patric]

That's their only store design.

A follow-up.  I heard from a gentleman who was able to attend an Aug. 29 meeting who said QT now plans to debut a new small scale 1800 sq ft prototype store at that location.  No pictures or link to the plan, and it isnt what QT filed with the city.

The initial presentation says QT wants to serve the neighborhood but the plan appeared to show them using the neighborhood to serve the expressway.  Did they reverse course?

[Hoss]

A follow-up.  I heard from a gentleman who was able to attend an Aug. 29 meeting who said QT now plans to debut a new small scale 1800 sq ft prototype store at that location.  No pictures or link to the plan, and it isnt what QT filed with the city.

The initial presentation says QT wants to serve the neighborhood but the plan appeared to show them using the neighborhood to serve the expressway.  Did they reverse course?

One can hope that being a good corporate citizen they did.

[Conan71]

A follow-up.  I heard from a gentleman who was able to attend an Aug. 29 meeting who said QT now plans to debut a new small scale 1800 sq ft prototype store at that location.  No pictures or link to the plan, and it isnt what QT filed with the city.

The initial presentation says QT wants to serve the neighborhood but the plan appeared to show them using the neighborhood to serve the expressway.  Did they reverse course?

So...QT intends to get developmentally responsible in the same city it has demanded 80,000 square foot plots and closed residential streets for a business which on most days needs half that space to exist. SRSLY?

[patric]

So...QT intends to get developmentally responsible in the same city it has demanded 80,000 square foot plots and closed residential streets for a business which on most days needs half that space to exist. SRSLY?

Im skeptical that a totally new design that contradicts their stated goals emerges in response to some loosely-organized neighborhood concerns.
Now if they were to put their money where their mouth is with some public filings before the city...