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The American? ANYONE?!

Started by Johnboy976, January 15, 2006, 10:35:12 PM

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sgrizzle

#75
June 19, 2006, 11:09:26 AM
Okay, that is two bets against, so I'll go "will be built."

Anyone give me 2:1 odds?

TURobY

#76
June 20, 2006, 07:13:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Okay, that is two bets against, so I'll go "will be built."

Anyone give me 2:1 odds?


I'm with you, so I just lowered your winnings. :-p
---Robert

pmcalk

#77
June 20, 2006, 08:50:24 PM
I hate to be negative, and of course I am no art critic, but I kind of wonder if the problem with the American is, well, the statue is not that good.  I mean, IMO, it kind of looks like a Hallmark/Precious Moments version of Native Americans.  I love the idea of a Native American monument in Tulsa, and I plan to visit the botanical gardens with or without the American.  Who knows, maybe one day it will be viewed as equivalent to the Statue of Liberty, but until then, it looks a little kitschy.
 

robbyfoxxxx

#78
June 21, 2006, 12:16:06 PM
The statue does have a generic feel to it does'nt it? He's just standing there with his arm out and his knee slightly bent. The statue does lack expressive gesture.

carltonplace

#79
June 21, 2006, 04:05:45 PM
Perhaps get rid of the eagle and have him flip us the bird. That's pretty expressive.

Keith

#80
June 21, 2006, 04:14:02 PM
That thing would sure ugly up what is one of the prettiest areas in this state.  If I had the money, I'd pay them NOT to build it!

TheArtist

#81
June 21, 2006, 04:14:25 PM
As much as I would like to have an iconic sculpture or building for Tulsa to be identified with.  Like the St Louis arch, statue of liberty, Space Needle, Eiffel Tower etc.  I would rather have something else other than the current version of that statue.  Still iffy if that statue is better than nothing though.  Guess I really started wanting it when I though of OKC getting it instead of us lol.  But I have to remind myself that it is going to be a bit outside Tulsa proper, and of course its not going to stop us from building something better in the city.

  I do wish the design was better.  Just seems to be missing something.  The stance seems wrong, dont know why his one knee is up like that, did hear he may have changed it so that the foot is up on a rock, would be more believable if it were.  The musculature "what muscles are tensed and relaxed for a specific pose" is wrong as well. Position of the hips and shoulder area is askew from what it should be for that pose.  
Plus I keep wondering why he is looking down without any expression as an eagle is landing on his arm.  I would be looking at the eagle and that arm and shoulder would be tensed more with expectation. Either that or his head should be slightly flinching away and cocked to the side away from the bird, to be giving a reason for him looking away from it.  IMO it would be better with him looking up anyway. It just doesnt make any sense. There is no connection between him and the eagle.  Also, why is the hand that is being held up limp like that?  Wouldnt it more likely be in a fist?  Even the eagle which is such a magnificent animal is lacking in force and power.

Its as if the whole statue is saying, ho hum I just happen to be standing here nonchalantly lifting up my arm while a large eagle lands on it.  Does anyone else other than me get that feeling?  I dont get what its "saying" do any of you?  Whats going on, whats the story? It doesnt even make sense just glancing at it let alone when you start thinking about it.







The bird in the first photo of the statue is a falcon so its small.  The eagle in the other photos is a smaller type eagle than the one that is supposedly landing on the arm of our indian statue.  But the one on our indian statue seems smaller? Either that or he is a really big indian lol.

The idea of an indian statue with an eagle landing on his arm could be really great, expressive, and powerful. The eagle itself could be stunning.  The version we have is a bit bland.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

robbyfoxxxx

#82
June 21, 2006, 05:34:05 PM
What do you think about a sculpture garden in midtown Tulsa? Maybe a dozen or so medium size statues related to native americans?

TheArtist

#83
June 21, 2006, 06:24:45 PM
How about along riverside say between 61st and the highway, have a buffalo hunt.  Have a group of indians on horseback chasing a large number of buffalo.  Just before the highway have the group split so that as you drive you are surrounded by them with some on the left and some on the right of riverside. All larger than life and perhaps 100 buffalo.  

 As for midtown, perhaps it would be neat to have a historic recreation of the indians under the council oak?  Could be a very meaningful and moving tribute to the history of that place.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

TheArtist

#84
June 21, 2006, 06:30:39 PM
ignore this couldnt figure out how to delete
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

waterboy

#85
June 21, 2006, 07:14:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

How about along riverside say between 61st and the highway, have a buffalo hunt.  Have a group of indians on horseback chasing a large number of buffalo.  Just before the highway have the group split so that as you drive you are surrounded by them with some on the left and some on the right of riverside. All larger than life and perhaps 100 buffalo.  


No dude! This is cool. You guys are too nice. Gray's sculpture sucks. Why doesn't someone just say it out loud? Take two shots of tequila and its all so clear...

robbyfoxxxx

#86
June 21, 2006, 08:22:46 PM
I think that buffalo idea is great! It couldnt be in midtown because of space, But yea council oak would be a great location for sculpture garden, also Woodward park would fit in great too.I also have to agree with you Waterboy on the "Theamerican", it lacks expression, It needs more body language.

TheArtist

#87
June 21, 2006, 11:49:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by robbyfoxxxx

I think that buffalo idea is great! It couldnt be in midtown because of space, But yea council oak would be a great location for sculpture garden, also Woodward park would fit in great too.I also have to agree with you Waterboy on the "Theamerican", it lacks expression, It needs more body language.



 Nooo please keep woodward more European.  Its an English style park, enhance that nature of it. Dont try to make it country, western, indian.  Needs more typical English appointments to it if anything.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

sgrizzle

#88
June 22, 2006, 07:22:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

How about along riverside say between 61st and the highway, have a buffalo hunt.  Have a group of indians on horseback chasing a large number of buffalo.  Just before the highway have the group split so that as you drive you are surrounded by them with some on the left and some on the right of riverside. All larger than life and perhaps 100 buffalo.  


No dude! This is cool. You guys are too nice. Gray's sculpture sucks. Why doesn't someone just say it out loud? Take two shots of tequila and its all so clear...


Maybe we should start "buildsomethingelse.com"

I'm sure for 80mil or however much he wants we could architect something cool. Giant space needly thing at the gardens? Would be a great place to watch fireworks. 700 or 800ft tall and on top of a hill to start with.

pmcalk

#89
June 22, 2006, 08:39:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

How about along riverside say between 61st and the highway, have a buffalo hunt.  Have a group of indians on horseback chasing a large number of buffalo.  Just before the highway have the group split so that as you drive you are surrounded by them with some on the left and some on the right of riverside. All larger than life and perhaps 100 buffalo.  


No dude! This is cool. You guys are too nice. Gray's sculpture sucks. Why doesn't someone just say it out loud? Take two shots of tequila and its all so clear...


Maybe we should start "buildsomethingelse.com"

I'm sure for 80mil or however much he wants we could architect something cool. Giant space needly thing at the gardens? Would be a great place to watch fireworks. 700 or 800ft tall and on top of a hill to start with.


Great idea!  Really, for 80 million, we could get some great art.  Maybe something a bit more abstract, less represenational.
 
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