The American? ANYONE?!

[TheArtist]

I, of course, would still like to try to get the Goddess of Oil statue built somewhere especially near or in downtown.   Still havent been able to find any place that will take it.

[sportyart]

Do you think some people would have a problme with the nudity?

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by robbyfoxxxx

I think that buffalo idea is great! It couldnt be in midtown because of space, But yea council oak would be a great location for sculpture garden, also Woodward park would fit in great too.I also have to agree with you Waterboy on the "Theamerican", it lacks expression, It needs more body language.

 Nooo please keep woodward more European.  Its an English style park, enhance that nature of it. Dont try to make it country, western, indian.  Needs more typical English appointments to it if anything.

Woodward Park belonged to a young indian girl, Helen Woodward and was sold to the city of Tulsa by her father without her consent. It certainly has indian pedigree.

[Breadburner]

Instead of some random face-less Indian how bout Jim Thorpe.....Sure covers alot more bases than the former not to mention the fact it would be a great tribute to the greatest athlete of the time....Oklahoman..Native American...Olympian (although his medals were stripped on a technicality).....

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Instead of some random face-less Indian how bout Jim Thorpe.....Sure covers alot more bases than the former not to mention the fact it would be a great tribute to the greatest athlete of the time....Oklahoman..Native American...Olympian (although his medals were stripped on a technicality).....

I love Jim Thorpe's story and think a statue of him would be a good representation for Native Americans. I don't know about 20 stories of Thorpe though. My objection to Gray's piece is that it doesn't look like any of the photos and drawings of the natives that I have seen. It looks too much like a Hollywood image. Reminds me of paintings on velour.

Everyone's a critic right?

[robbyfoxxxx]

I think if we are willing to organize a group to promote a sculpture garden, we could come up with a much greater idea than "theamerican" and much much cheaper,

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by robbyfoxxxx

I think that buffalo idea is great! It couldnt be in midtown because of space, But yea council oak would be a great location for sculpture garden, also Woodward park would fit in great too.I also have to agree with you Waterboy on the "Theamerican", it lacks expression, It needs more body language.

 Nooo please keep woodward more European.  Its an English style park, enhance that nature of it. Dont try to make it country, western, indian.  Needs more typical English appointments to it if anything.

Woodward Park belonged to a young indian girl, Helen Woodward and was sold to the city of Tulsa by her father without her consent. It certainly has indian pedigree.

 My bad.  Didnt know that history.  A statue of that indian girl in woodward park would be quite fitting.  Course if she didnt want to sell it to the city, I wonder what she would have done with it?  Perhaps it wouldnt be a park at all today if her father hadnt sold it to the city?  Course one can start to get too many bronze sculptures in one area, it can start to look cluttery.  There are several in woodward. One in the Linnaeus garden.  The indian princesses going in at the Historic Society. I still am of the mind that at Woodward or behind the rose garden, something architectural should go in.  

 As for a sculpture garden in mid-town.  Where would you put one?  Perhaps the new centennial park or the one thats going to be built later in the Pearl District would be nice options.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Okay, that is two bets against, so I'll go "will be built."

Anyone give me 2:1 odds?

sgrizzle I think you just unknowingly highlighted the largest concern about this project........

Why no donations from the Tribes......? They are making money hand over fist in Casinos...

Now maybe I am wrong... Maybe they have given money without making it public..

If certain Tribal leaders were that jazzed about this statue... It would be going up before our eyes...

All this, to me, begs the question... "Who did Mr Gray piss off...?

or maybe the Tribes just think the idea and the Statue stink...

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Okay, that is two bets against, so I'll go "will be built."

Anyone give me 2:1 odds?

sgrizzle I think you just unknowingly highlighted the largest concern about this project........

Why no donations from the Tribes......? They are making money hand over fist in Casinos...

Now maybe I am wrong... Maybe they have given money without making it public..

If certain Tribal leaders were that jazzed about this statue... It would be going up before our eyes...

All this, to me, begs the question... "Who did Mr Gray piss off...?

or maybe the Tribes just think the idea and the Statue stink...

I think the tribes want to honr their heritage without dwelling in it or keeping the old stereotypes going...

Of course, the tribes are no further along with the museum on turkey mountain either...

[robbyfoxxxx]

I bet some tribes have put money into the statue, I just think as a business venture it is not feasible,yes maybe if the statue was designed differently, it might be worthwhile, But the artist is the artist and I cant make him change his statue. Woodward park-I think that this is the best place for a sculpture garden, nothing big, just an 1/2 acre chunk would be adequete.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by robbyfoxxxx

I bet some tribes have put money into the statue, I just think as a business venture it is not feasible,yes maybe if the statue was designed differently, it might be worthwhile, But the artist is the artist and I cant make him change his statue. Woodward park-I think that this is the best place for a sculpture garden, nothing big, just an 1/2 acre chunk would be adequete.

Robby, I will attempt to explain this again... The very minimum amount of money anyone can invest is $500K........
This is set up just like buying a share of stock... priced at 500K a share...

Many on this Forum tried to donate money early on.... No Can Do.....! Not unless you have half a mil...

The guidelines for the venture are filed with the SEC and must, By Law, be adhered to...

I think that if any of the Tribes had "bought in..." PJ Lasseck... or others would be all over it..

[robbyfoxxxx]

500,000? thats it? With 20 million more to go and 20 million (I guess) already invested. The statue will probably begin in 2010. Full speed ahead? I think not.

[Keith]

quote: No dude! This is cool. You guys are too nice. Gray's sculpture sucks. Why doesn't someone just say it out loud? Take two shots of tequila and its all so clear...

YES! Thank You Waterboy!  It royally sucks!

And why, oh why, must Tulsa (and the rest of Okla. for that matter) always be identified with the same old cliches:  Cowboys. Indians. Tornadoes. College Football. Let's move on and into the 21st century.

If we're to build an amazingly monolithic thing like this, why can't it be something that's actually.... "cool"?  A big Indian standing on a hill:  Not cool.  It's tacky and cliche.  We already got the big driller at Expo Square. He's enough.  

I'm an Indian (Chickasaw) and personally I'd be embarrased by the "American." Tacky. Ugly. Awful. Horrible.  I can't say enough bad things.  (But I'll go ahead and stop for now.)

[sgrizzle]

How about a compromise. A 700ft icon like the space needle that is very 21st centruty and unique. In front of it, a 7ft version of the american.

[robbyfoxxxx]

I guess that since "TheAmerican" is a for profit venture, It would be stupid to donate money for it, that would be like giving money to walmart. The statue will never get off the ground, investor are not sure of the "profits"