Once again victimized by TPD

[sauerkraut]

I would not trust them with nothing. I seen Tulsa cops go after someone at the intersection of 129th & 11 for no reason that I could see. The guy made a left turn and the cop was waiting at the light and just flicked on the lights and went after the car. Go figure.[xx(]

[dwmorris]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

On Monday, call 596-1396.  He is the wrecker service liaison person.  Calling anybody else will get you no where.  He is the ONLY person who can authorize the towing fees be refunded.  He will look into the attempts made to contact you and make a decision based on what he finds out.

Thank you for the information.  I will call on Monday.

[Wilbur]

I would not trust them with nothing. I seen Tulsa cops go after someone at the intersection of 129th & 11 for no reason...

And your basis for that is, what?  Are you saying police are only allowed to stop people for traffic violations?  Police can't stop somebody for any other crime as long as they are driving a car?  But because YOU didn't see any traffic violation, you make the accusation the person was stopped for no reason.  Go figure.

[Copperhead]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I would not trust them with nothing. I seen Tulsa cops go after someone at the intersection of 129th & 11 for no reason...

And your basis for that is, what?  Are you saying police are only allowed to stop people for traffic violations?  Police can't stop somebody for any other crime as long as they are driving a car?  But because YOU didn't see any traffic violation, you make the accusation the person was stopped for no reason.  Go figure.

sauerkraut - guess you noticed whether seat belts were in use as well?  Cops do, along with descriptions of suspect vehicles used in crimes, etc. etc.  In the event someone is threatening you or the family, or breaking in your home or car, consider calling the fire department?

[tulsa_fan]

Morris - As someone said, call on Monday, you will get no help on weekends as the offices and divisions are no longer staffed, due to man shortage.  Also, if you aren't happy with the answer, call the non-emergency number and ask for a supervisor to call you, and you can also follow up with the chief's section on Monday, you have plenty of options for constructive critism, rather than complaining with maybe not all the facts.  Maybe your home number was typed in the report incorrectly, maybe the report wasn't in the system yet, only the tag to be shown stolen.  I really think it's sad that you feel so bitter towards the officers that put their life on the line everyday for our safety, and I'm sorry, but your scooter, as my car would be, is no priority compared to 28 homicides, gang wars and over violent crime that is out of control.  I know to you, it is your priority, but you aren't the only citizen in the city.  You could be a little bit grateful that they found the scooter in the frist place.  Also, I'd be careful dropping names all around, the [name deleted by moderator] or officer [name deleted by moderator] may not appreciate your comments, especially if they are found to be incorrect.

Some other ideas for the traffic stop, did you run the tag to verify it wasn't stolen?  Or check to see if the vehicle owner had any felony warrants . . . you didn't see anything because you haven't spent 6 months in an training academy and another 16 weeks being trained in the field.  

Have any of you considered taking the Citizen's Police Academy?  Maybe then you'd have a better understanding of how the department is actually run and then your complaints could be based on fact and may actually be helpful in improving things rather than just random gripes with no basis for them.

[Breadburner]

Storey Wrecker is one of the biggest scams this city has going.....

[MH2010]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the police department. I'm sure there is a valid reason why the officer towed the scooter.

 As far as investigating the crime itself, I'm sorry but it is simply a manpower and budget issue.  We have to rate crime in the level of severity and then respond to it in that same way.

Once we arrive at the scene, we have very little time to spend on each call because there are numerous others holding. This limits how much we can do at the scene (fingerprinting, interviewing, searching for suspects, vehicles ect.)

We usually don't fingerprint stolen scooters but lets just say that it was done and they found a complete fingerprint. The fingerprint would be given to our police lab (where they examine fingerprints). The police lab is just as understaffed and overworked. Since the crime is not a violent one, the fingerprint would be placed at the bottom of the priority list (all violent crime comes first and then the list is ranked other crime types and then by date. This would mean your crime would be low on the priority list. That means it could be over a year before the lab personnel could examine the print.  

Right now this is the call load on a Sunday.

Sunday 04/23/06 7:51pm
UDE  9 active calls, 1 call holding
UDSW 10 active calls, 13 calls holding
UDN 12 active calls, 4 calls holding.

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

This is just life in the big city. It's not a problem with TPD- its like that everywhere in every city. Not saying its right, but thats how it is.

I really don't feel it is. I've called the police in a lot of big cities usually on a Friday and Saturday night over something serious, but not dangerous and not only have they've been really quick, but often you end up with a lot of them.
I don't blame TPD, they just can't operate on that budget.

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

Maybe you should be a little more specific:  "If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

Maybe you should be a little more specific:  "If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

One that is still up ,as far as I can tell, are the "Excecutive Order Contracts" that the previous fellow put in play..

Perhaps this is just a matter of following cancellation procedures for the contracts..

There is mucho green dinero$$ in those contracts.....[]

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah
"If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

Would that have really been what it would have taken to get the officer in question to make a  phone call?  Their cellular provider must be atrocious.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

Maybe you should be a little more specific:  "If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

One that is still up ,as far as I can tell, are the "Excecutive Order Contracts" that the previous fellow put in play..

Perhaps this is just a matter of following cancellation procedures for the contracts..

There is mucho green dinero$$ in those contracts.....[]

What are the executive order contracts? I am not familiar with those.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

Maybe you should be a little more specific:  "If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

One that is still up ,as far as I can tell, are the "Excecutive Order Contracts" that the previous fellow put in play..

Perhaps this is just a matter of following cancellation procedures for the contracts..

There is mucho green dinero$$ in those contracts.....[]

What are the executive order contracts? I am not familiar with those.

An "Executive Order Contract" is a Contract with a Company.. Individual.. or entity.. That is signed by the Mayor and needs no approval by any other authority..

The Lawyer for the City just makes sure that if the contract is uncovered that there would be a way to cover the CEO's backside..

I have never seen a complete list of the contracts incumbered by the prior Administration but what I have seen boggles the mind...

no extra cash$$??

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Kiah
"If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to decrease other municipal services (and be specific - pools, oh wait, parks, already wiped out, mowing schedules, too late, administrative functions like accounting and legal staff, probably not a good idea to gut those any further, hmmmm . . .) and/or raise taxes to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year."

Would that have really been what it would have taken to get the officer in question to make a  phone call?  Their cellular provider must be atrocious.

The city of Tulsa does not issue cell phones to uniformed officers.  Usually the records division or dispatch will make the phone call if the phone number is available.

04/23/06 10:49pm
UDN 13 active calls, no calls holding
UDE 16 active calls, 4 calls holding
UDSW 14 active calls, no calls holding

[Wilbur]

We usually don't fingerprint stolen scooters but lets just say that it was done and they found a complete fingerprint. The fingerprint would be given to our police lab (where they examine fingerprints). The police lab is just as understaffed and overworked. Since the crime is not a violent one, the fingerprint would be placed at the bottom of the priority list (all violent crime comes first and then the list is ranked other crime types and then by date. This would mean your crime would be low on the priority list. That means it could be over a year before the lab personnel could examine the print.

And a finger print on an item that is sitting out in the open is useless.  For example, lets say your car gets broken into at Woodland Hills mall.  An officer finds a finger print on the car.  That finger print, which could belong to anybody who walked by that car and touched it, does not mean they are the suspect.  The fingerprint has to be in a place where only the suspect could have been ilegally.  In this case, if the finger print was inside the car, that is a different story.  But a finger print simply someplace on a scooter setting outside in someone's yard or on the street gets you no where.

An "Executive Order Contract" is a Contract with a Company.. Individual.. or entity.. That is signed by the Mayor and needs no approval by any other authority..

But these contracts still go out for bid, just like with any other item, unless the requesting body can show a cause for a 'sole source', which means only one person/vendor can supply the requested item.

I know the wrecker contract goes out to bid, but usually Storey is the only one who submits a valid bid.  And by the way, the City does not make any money on cars that are towed.