Once again victimized by TPD

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I can see where it is more expedient to utter "Storey one time" into a mic than to read seven digits from the report in his hand, but I can also see where that comes across as calloused and uncaring.

Some of the biggest perceptions grow from some of the smallest things.

I would find it pretty improbable that the report was in his hand.  The report most likely was making its way through the maze, after being entered into the computer to show up as stolen.  Very possibly that report was not available to the officer, or anyone in records.

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quote:sauerkraut - guess you noticed whether seat belts were in use as well?  Cops do, along with descriptions of suspect vehicles used in crimes, etc. etc.  In the event someone is threatening you or the family, or breaking in your home or car, consider calling the fire department?

Wait a minute.. some of my best friends are firefighters.  Among many a strict unwritten code is written - As long as cops don't try to put out fires, Firefighters won't write tickets!  []

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quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the police department. I'm sure there is a valid reason why the officer towed the scooter.

 As far as investigating the crime itself, I'm sorry but it is simply a manpower and budget issue.  We have to rate crime in the level of severity and then respond to it in that same way.

Once we arrive at the scene, we have very little time to spend on each call because there are numerous others holding. This limits how much we can do at the scene (fingerprinting, interviewing, searching for suspects, vehicles ect.)

We usually don't fingerprint stolen scooters but lets just say that it was done and they found a complete fingerprint. The fingerprint would be given to our police lab (where they examine fingerprints). The police lab is just as understaffed and overworked. Since the crime is not a violent one, the fingerprint would be placed at the bottom of the priority list (all violent crime comes first and then the list is ranked other crime types and then by date. This would mean your crime would be low on the priority list. That means it could be over a year before the lab personnel could examine the print.  

Right now this is the call load on a Sunday.

Sunday 04/23/06 7:51pm
UDE  9 active calls, 1 call holding
UDSW 10 active calls, 13 calls holding
UDN 12 active calls, 4 calls holding.

If you want to improve this, you can contact your city councilor and the mayor's office. Please tell them to increase the police budget during the next fiscal year.  We simply need more officers and more resources.

It actually sounds like TPD does a pretty good job with what they have.  When you figure in officers in court, vacation, light duty due to injuries, school, warrant service, plainclothes, ancilliary functions (Like the wrecker liason officer) training, public outreach, military service, sick leave, regular days off, on top of minimum staffing levels, its a wonder they get anything done.

I know in Nashville TN, they have Teleserve, which is made up of officers on light duty.  They take all complaints of non physical threatening theft, stealing, vandalisim, etc, up to 2500.00 (A few years ago, it may be more now)  I don't know if TPD has this, but I certainly hope not....

[Wilbur]

I took one division times 13 officers X 3 shifts and get 39 officers. Then I added 13 officers to handle days off and vacations (an assumption) and I get 52 officers for patrol.

It takes five officers to cover one beat 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Each of the three patrol divisions is broken down into four squads, with each squad having five beats.  You can find TPD's beat map here:

http://www.radioreference.com/data/files/a/1327/TulsaPDMap1.pdf

So that equals 60 beats city wide, or 20 beats for each patrol division.  When MH2010 talks about minimum manning being 12 officers, do you see how many beats go unfilled each and every day.

[Erickm]

you seem like a whiner. how is the fact that you have three kids relevant to the story? because you don't have the $$ to feed them? should you be treated differently by the police for that fact? by the internet? you certainly have lots of time to waste the time of all those wrecker companies you called when you didn't intend to use their services, you're wasting time on the internet, perhaps a second job could fill some of that time? with three kids why do you even have a scooter? why were you unable to secure that scooter from theft at your own house when you knew its loss (or even the towing fees for its recovery so it wouldn't be lost) can cause finacial upset?

If my financial situation gets to where I'm worried whether my kids will eat, I'm going to be making some choices about whether owning a computer or scooter or paying for internet access is really necessary.

[Rico]

Originally posted by Wilbur..
But these contracts still go out for bid, just like with any other item, unless the requesting body can show a cause for a 'sole source', which means only one person/vendor can supply the requested item.

Wilbur I would like you to hold on to this thought that all "Executive Order" contracts are sent out for bids...

I love that... Sent out for bids......

You listening "skeet"

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[dwmorris]

quote:Originally posted by Erickm

you seem like a whiner. how is the fact that you have three kids relevant to the story? because you don't have the $$ to feed them? should you be treated differently by the police for that fact? by the internet? you certainly have lots of time to waste the time of all those wrecker companies you called when you didn't intend to use their services, you're wasting time on the internet, perhaps a second job could fill some of that time? with three kids why do you even have a scooter? why were you unable to secure that scooter from theft at your own house when you knew its loss (or even the towing fees for its recovery so it wouldn't be lost) can cause finacial upset?

If my financial situation gets to where I'm worried whether my kids will eat, I'm going to be making some choices about whether owning a computer or scooter or paying for internet access is really necessary.

You have no right to make assumptions about how I take care of my kids.  You have no idea what I do to make sure my kids have the best education, a roof over their head, food in their stomachs, and health care.  Everything I do IS for my kids.  

Secondly, I want the police to treat EVERYONE with more respect and courtesy.  You are completely missing the point.

Why do I need a scooter?  Insurance is $50 a year and gas mileage is 100mpg.  It gets the job done.  

That is all the questions I wish to answer of your dumb response.  I do have other things to do.

[tulsa_fan]

I still haven't heard an answer on what you found out . . . did you talk to the liason officer about Storey lowering their fee?  Did you talk to the officer's supervisor or ask that the officer contact you to see if an attempt was made to call you.  I would agree that you have reason to be upset if your number was in the system and no attempt was made to call you, but you made some rude blanket comments not knowing what the entire story was, all you know is your scooter was towed.  Several posts on here gave you an avenue to have your situation retified, and I'm just wondering if you followed up with any of them.

[dwmorris]

I am still confused on what happened.  We had left a message for the officer to call us but she still hasn't.

The liason officer couldn't get a hold of her either.  He told me the report said something about "the owner" seeing his scooter being driven and that is why they responded.  Apparently there were 2 scooters.  The first owner saw the perp driving his and in the process they found mine.  The first owner was given the opportunity to take his back.  I was not.  That is the story I deduced from what limited information was given to me.

The liason officer made the request to Storey to refund my towing fees.  But he said it would be at their discrection.  He told me if I didn't hear anything in 2 or 3 weeks then call Storey.

[Wilbur]

The liason officer made the request to Storey to refund my towing fees. But he said it would be at their discrection.

I'm confident, if the liaison officer recommend they refund the fee, you will be receiving a check in the mail soon.

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by Erickm

you seem like a whiner. how is the fact that you have three kids relevant to the story? because you don't have the $$ to feed them? should you be treated differently by the police for that fact? by the internet? you certainly have lots of time to waste the time of all those wrecker companies you called when you didn't intend to use their services, you're wasting time on the internet, perhaps a second job could fill some of that time? with three kids why do you even have a scooter? why were you unable to secure that scooter from theft at your own house when you knew its loss (or even the towing fees for its recovery so it wouldn't be lost) can cause finacial upset?

If my financial situation gets to where I'm worried whether my kids will eat, I'm going to be making some choices about whether owning a computer or scooter or paying for internet access is really necessary.

[V][V][V]What??? Did you actually think about this before you wrote it?

[Thrawn]

 First let me start off by saying...
I am very, very sorry that your scooter was stolen, And your mothers death is unfortunate, an my condolences.


Now... My sister is a detective with TPD. Before this she was a patrol officer. I have done many ride-a-longs with her and let me say that is a very eye-opening experience. Peoples perceptions of the police force would be greatly changed if they could see first hand the BS that they have to deal with on a daily basis. This isn't CSI. This isn't COPS. This is real life and all the calls they get between something actually serious is just stupid.

 The fact of the matter is that people do not take personal responsibility for thier lives any more. They expect for institutions like the Police to solve thier problems when in fact, they could have been avoided whith a little forethought.

You state that Tulsa is a crime ridden city, thus leaving me to beleave that you know that anything can happen at any time to anyone.
It is my opinion that you should have known better than to leave your scooter sitting outside where it was accessable to the rampant criminal element. Use your garage. That way the police don't have to spend their time looking for a scooter and taking down a report (which they have to rewrite at the end of their shift to be turned in) That process alone can take up to 2 hours just in paper work, and people actually ask why there neve seems to be an officer around when you need them.

As for your mother... I don't for one minute believe that the police just blew you off. You should have been at her home and told them what was going on after dialing 911. Your description of events leads one to believe that you called the main line thus getting other numbers to call. This doesn't happen with a 911 call. You should have then told the officers that she was in danger of hurting herself and needed her to be transported to a hospital for evaluation. They could have then admitted her to the phsyc. unit and taken care of her.

 I know this because I have been there myself.

 Personal responsibility, this includes your responsibility to your self, your belongings and your family. Welcome to the real world, it's a giant leap from a liberal institution called college, and it isn't all about others taking care of you. Only the strong survive, and with this early wisdom you have obtained by your experienances, you should be able to divert many possible misshaps in the future.

Now pick up the phone and request a ride-a-long. It will give you a new appriciation of the men and women that DO serve and protect you. Maybe, you should do something for them.

[Rowdy]

Talk about resurrecting an old thread.  []

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Thrawn


 First let me start off by saying...
I am very, very sorry that your scooter was stolen, And your mothers death is unfortunate, an my condolences.


Now... My sister is a detective with TPD. Before this she was a patrol officer. I have done many ride-a-longs with her and let me say that is a very eye-opening experience. Peoples perceptions of the police force would be greatly changed if they could see first hand the BS that they have to deal with on a daily basis. This isn't CSI. This isn't COPS. This is real life and all the calls they get between something actually serious is just stupid.

 The fact of the matter is that people do not take personal responsibility for thier lives any more. They expect for institutions like the Police to solve thier problems when in fact, they could have been avoided whith a little forethought.

You state that Tulsa is a crime ridden city, thus leaving me to beleave that you know that anything can happen at any time to anyone.
It is my opinion that you should have known better than to leave your scooter sitting outside where it was accessable to the rampant criminal element. Use your garage. That way the police don't have to spend their time looking for a scooter and taking down a report (which they have to rewrite at the end of their shift to be turned in) That process alone can take up to 2 hours just in paper work, and people actually ask why there neve seems to be an officer around when you need them.

As for your mother... I don't for one minute believe that the police just blew you off. You should have been at her home and told them what was going on after dialing 911. Your description of events leads one to believe that you called the main line thus getting other numbers to call. This doesn't happen with a 911 call. You should have then told the officers that she was in danger of hurting herself and needed her to be transported to a hospital for evaluation. They could have then admitted her to the phsyc. unit and taken care of her.

 I know this because I have been there myself.

 Personal responsibility, this includes your responsibility to your self, your belongings and your family. Welcome to the real world, it's a giant leap from a liberal institution called college, and it isn't all about others taking care of you. Only the strong survive, and with this early wisdom you have obtained by your experienances, you should be able to divert many possible misshaps in the future.

Now pick up the phone and request a ride-a-long. It will give you a new appriciation of the men and women that DO serve and protect you. Maybe, you should do something for them.

I was agreeing with you until you made the assumption that he, faced with a terrifying situation involving a suicidal family member, automatically knows proper procedure to be an efficient user of emergency services.  Someone in that situation is obviously distressed and needs whatever helping hand is available.

I know what you are talking about with stupid calls draining the resources (Like a lady calling 911 because she didn't get her order right at Burger King) - but telling him he did something wrong in his situation is just cold.