Who cares...

[aoxamaxoa]

truely a sad day for the 'grand experiment' known as American Democracy...

Who knows why?

[waterboy]

Are you referring to the prez's hacking at habeas corpus?

[iplaw]

Maybe the fact that the 300,000,000th citizen born in the US was an illegal alien...

Or the fact that a US lawyer was complicit in passing information to terrorist on behalf of another terrorist...

Or maybe that Democrats abdicated their job of representing their constituents by failing to debate the detainee bill because they didn't want to piss off the American people before an election and display their true spineless nature...gutless wonders.

[guido911]

Yep, democracy as we know it is over because terrorists will not get to petition a federal court for habeas relief. I feel as if the walls of this country are absolutely collapsing around me.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Yep, democracy as we know it is over because terrorists will not get to petition a federal court for habeas relief. I feel as if the walls of this country are absolutely collapsing around me.

I'll ask you what no other neocon has even attempted to answer. Without due process, how do you know who is and who isn't a terrorist? As a self admitted Bush apologist, I'm sure you're willing to trust George Bush not to abuse the power, but are you willing to trust all future presidents--including--GASP--DEMOCRAT presidents?

Are you really so naive that you don't think the government would abuse its power if there were no checks and balances in place? Do you think for a second that Tricky Dick wouldn't have loved to have to power to just say, "That person is a terrorist. Lock him up!"

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Maybe the fact that the 300,000,000th citizen born in the US was an illegal alien...

Not so counselor. A citizen is not an illegal alien, now are they?

[rwarn17588]

Sounds like iplaw needs to go back to school and finish that civics class.

[}:)]

[aoxamaxoa]

Very good to all those so far who have responded objectively that I can now be deemed a terror suspect for threatening 'regime change' .....

BTW, the democrats advocated to cooperating with these masquerade americans/republicans who in reality represent nothing but a breach in all that was previously considered ethical.

For lying he should be removed.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=130530

But now, he is a ruler unto himself.

From America's Number one honest blog....
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/17/13225/011

http://www.alternet.org/stories/42884/
"We need to ask ourselves, however, what sowing the winds of war abroad will reap at home.  They are not Arabs who are painting Aryan Nations graffiti on the shattered walls of Baghdad. "

"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet." – Lyle Myhr

"Ain't dark yet but it's getting there..."
Dylan

[Cubs]

Today (actually yesterday --- why am I up so late?? IDK) is not a "sad day" for American Democracy, but rather a sad day for American Democrats.

All the President is trying to do is keep you safe -- you probably don't know but keeping liberals safe is a hard task. His actions will in no way affect your life except for the fact that it will still exist.

P.S. All this talk (not necessarily on TulsaNow)about the Republican Party's demise is foolishness. It is quite possible that the Dems will take over for a few years, but this will reenergize the Christian Republican base. However, if the Dems choose that whack-job Hillary to be the Democratic nominee in '08, that reenergizing of the Republicans will come so fast, it will be like that unbelievable Bears-Cardinals game this past Monday - the Republicans being the Bears of course.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Today (actually yesterday --- why am I up so late?? IDK) is not a "sad day" for American Democracy, but rather a sad day for American Democrats.

All the President is trying to do is keep you safe -- you probably don't know but keeping liberals safe is a hard task. His actions will in no way affect your life except for the fact that it will still exist.

P.S. All this talk (not necessarily on TulsaNow)about the Republican Party's demise is foolishness. It is quite possible that the Dems will take over for a few years, but this will reenergize the Christian Republican base. However, if the Dems choose that whack-job Hillary to be the Democratic nominee in '08, that reenergizing of the Republicans will come so fast, it will be like that unbelievable Bears-Cardinals game this past Monday - the Republicans being the Bears of course.

No, Cubs, if you would take your right wing blinders off for a minute or two you would see that this isn't about security. It's about expanding presidential powers far beyond what the Constitution allows. Even if it WAS about security, why are right wingers such cowards? With cowboy bravado, right wingers talk about not making a "cowardly cut and run" in Iraq (from the comfort and safety of their suburban homes) but when it comes to what they perceive as their OWN personal safety, they're ready to sell the Constitution down the river just to buy the impression that it makes them safer.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Today (actually yesterday --- why am I up so late?? IDK) is not a "sad day" for American Democracy, but rather a sad day for American Democrats.

All the President is trying to do is keep you safe -- you probably don't know but keeping liberals safe is a hard task. His actions will in no way affect your life except for the fact that it will still exist.

P.S. All this talk (not necessarily on TulsaNow)about the Republican Party's demise is foolishness. It is quite possible that the Dems will take over for a few years, but this will reenergize the Christian Republican base. However, if the Dems choose that whack-job Hillary to be the Democratic nominee in '08, that reenergizing of the Republicans will come so fast, it will be like that unbelievable Bears-Cardinals game this past Monday - the Republicans being the Bears of course.

No, all the president is trying to do is make his job easier.  It's much easier to rule a country when the masses have fewer rights.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Maybe the fact that the 300,000,000th citizen born in the US was an illegal alien...

Not so counselor. A citizen is not an illegal alien, now are they?

Depends on who you ask in America today.  Should have said "born TO" an illegal alien.  Equally as reprehensable...

[NellieBly]

How dare those Mexican women get pregnant and give birth. Maybe if the right wingers weren't so opposed to birth control they wouldn't be able to breed.

[iplaw]

Seems as if their religion precludes that more than our policies do.  Only someone with very little respect for their country or fellow citizens would take such a callous stance towards illegal immigration.

Extrapolating outrage over the subset of "illegal" and projecting that to incorporate all mexicans is a fallacy, but I wouldn't expect most here to realize that.

[guido911]

Papa, unless you are a lawyer, please do not lecture me on due process rights or the purpose of habeas relief.