Birth Control Is Harmful?

[Breadburner]

The gov. should send out a pill pack with every welfare check....

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

The gov. should send out a pill pack with every welfare check....

Broken record...

The old welfare queen myth, right? Young, single black woman spitting out babies just to get a bigger welfare check, RIGHT?

People like you make me wanna vomit.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Two people have sex and a baby is born, both have a responsibility to that child. It's not just a woman's decision to bring a baby into the world. I don't agree with having a baby and not telling the father or hiding it from him. I have known women who did that.

Birth control IS a man's business only to the point that if a man doesn't want to be a father he better use it. If he doesn't trust his wife or girlfriend to use it, he better use it.

I do believe that women should call all the shots when it comes to their own bodies.

To decode, I think NellieBly is saying:
Male birth control is the man's responsiblity.
Female birth control is the woman's responsibility.
If you're having sex, prepare to deal with having a kid too.
Lying is bad

I'm waiting to see if she'll answer my question about whether it's all right to get a vasectomy without his wife's agreement or at least knowledge.

I will answer--of course its not all right, just as its not all right for a woman to stop using birth control without telling her significant other.  

But that does not change the fact that, ultimately, if a man wants a vasectomy, he has every right to do so, regardless of what any woman has to say.  It's his body.

I think Sgrizzle summed it up well.  Both partners have a responsibility.  When a person's body is involved, though, he or she has the ultimate say in what happens.  Still, relationships work best when you talk things out.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I will answer--of course its not all right, just as its not all right for a woman to stop using birth control without telling her significant other.  

But that does not change the fact that, ultimately, if a man wants a vasectomy, he has every right to do so, regardless of what any woman has to say.  It's his body.

I think Sgrizzle summed it up well.  Both partners have a responsibility.  When a person's body is involved, though, he or she has the ultimate say in what happens.  Still, relationships work best when you talk things out.

Well, I'm again in complete agreement with you. But I'd still like to see what NellieBly's response would be on the vasectomy question. I could be wrong but I've got a pretty strong feeling that, if the questions were asked at different times and places and by different people, she'd have a completely different response to the vasectomy question than she'd have to the same question about a tubal ligation.

[Breadburner]

White,Black,Brown or Blue....If your on welfare...Then birth-control is for you...Among a plethera of other reasons...

[guido911]

Wow Papa! onelook.com. That's one heck of a powerful and unimpeachable source. lol!!! That is certainly more credible than my source supporting my point regarding the purpose planned parenthood.

[NellieBly]

I'd like to meet the man who would voluntarily run out and get a vasectomy. Most men won't even get their dog neutered for fear it will somehow ruin their dog.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

I'd like to meet the man who would voluntarily run out and get a vasectomy. Most men won't even get their dog neutered for fear it will somehow ruin their dog.

Even considering your sexist statement (and attitude), if you buy lunch, I'll be happy for you to meet me.

[NellieBly]

Did you okay it with your partner first?

[snopes]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Did you okay it with your partner first?

Negative Nellie.. tsk.. tsk..
I thought it was up to the individual to do what they want with their bodies? I'm pretty sure Pspot consulted with his partner first, but what's good for the goose should be good for the gander right?

[rwarn17588]

Hey, Nellie, you gonna buy me lunch, too?

Doe's Eat Place will be fine. [^]

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Did you okay it with your partner first?

You can be assured that my wife does't feel the least bit threatened by the likes of you. Did you think I was asking you for a date or something? (Should I be a sexist too here and ask why women always assume that, if a man proposes lunch to a women that he's asking her for a date? Nah. I don't want to sound like a bigot by making blanket statements about women. I'll leave blanket statements to you.)

Anyway, it's my body. Shouldn't I be able to take it anywhere I want to without anyone's permission? Or is that a right you reserve to women ONLY?

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by snopes

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Did you okay it with your partner first?

Negative Nellie.. tsk.. tsk..
I thought it was up to the individual to do what they want with their bodies? I'm pretty sure Pspot consulted with his partner first, but what's good for the goose should be good for the gander right?

Well, ya kinda beat me to the punch there snopes.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Men have no place in women's reproductive rights. Becoming and being a father or parent is one thing -- telling me how and when I can buy or use birth control or get an abortion is nunya.

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Birth control just got harder.

First, can we get past this "women should have control over their own bodies" b.s.  Government has long been able to tell citizens in this country what it can and cannot do with their bodies. For example, government can involuntarily put a man's body in uniform and send the man's body off to war via the draft, the government can put your body in an orange jumpsuit and send your body to jail if you break the law, and the government can make sure your children's bodies are in school.
Second, the issue surrounding abortion is ultimately about what is legal and illegal in this country, which makes it a gender neutral issue. And by the way, Bush's new family planning czar is not going to make birth control harder. He perhaps will make baby killing harder though. Okay y'all, fire away.

[papaspot]

Unless trolls and neocons are birth control methods or ideologies, they don't belong here. Thank you.