Judges should be appointed - not elected

[Madame X]

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In the past, judical elections and campaigns were held to a higher standard or code of conduct than the national and state elections.  Looks like the standard dosn't apply anymore.  Negative campaigning and dirty tricks seems to work in Tulsa County.  Do we want our elected judges to be the winner of a game of mudslinging and misconduct?  If they achieve their office with unethical and maybe illegal conduct, how can they be qualified to sit in judgement of others?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Madame X

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In the past, judical elections and campaigns were held to a higher standard or code of conduct than the national and state elections.  Looks like the standard dosn't apply anymore.  Negative campaigning and dirty tricks seems to work in Tulsa County.  Do we want our elected judges to be the winner of a game of mudslinging and misconduct?  If they achieve their office with unethical and maybe illegal conduct, how can they be qualified to sit in judgement of others?

Aren't you the person that got arrested stealing signs for a judge candidate?

[Madame X]

Her name was reported as Virginia Howie...or something like that...and we all know the press never gets their facts mixed up.

[sgrizzle]

The name seems to match..

I followed the Judicial races more this year than any year previous. I much "negative campaigning" other than from the repubs with their "oh yeah, well candidate y supported kerry" ads.

I never saw a single negative thing from kuehn but I saw plenty of things from the wall campaign that were either negative or "playing the victim." A jail employee messed up one fact that he told the world and youd've though Kuehn was putting babies on spikes from the outrage spit out from the Wall campaign. The detail was cleared up, it was no big deal. The whole thing got 10X more press from the Wall campaign than it got on it's own right. The sign thing (which I'm sure you're well aware of) was probably the deal breaker. It doesn't matter how legal or not the action is, you NEVER want to be caught with anything related to the opponents campaign. If you're gonna pick it up, go straight to the nearest dumpster.

Also, there was plenty of negative campaigning on here from Caroline's sister as well as a lawyer who supported her by quoting court cases and nitpicking active casework.

No matter what the Wall campaign could claim, or even prove, the Kuehn campaign did; the Wall campaign was in it as well. Unless you kept your own nose clean, don't complain about how dirty someone else's is.

[RecycleMichael]

The Tulsa World listed the person arrested as Virginia Diane Howe.  There is no other Diane Howe listed in the election board records in Tulsa, except for a Virginia Diane Howe.

It is OK to admit you are the same person.

I admire you for being politically active, and I love anyone who picks up signs in the right-of-way.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Madame X

Her name was reported as Virginia Howie...or something like that...and we all know the press never gets their facts mixed up.

That's kind of a vague answer. Are you saying it wasn't you?

[Madame X]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The name seems to match..

I followed the Judicial races more this year than any year previous. I much "negative campaigning" other than from the repubs with their "oh yeah, well candidate y supported kerry" ads.

I never saw a single negative thing from kuehn but I saw plenty of things from the wall campaign that were either negative or "playing the victim." A jail employee messed up one fact that he told the world and youd've though Kuehn was putting babies on spikes from the outrage spit out from the Wall campaign. The detail was cleared up, it was no big deal. The whole thing got 10X more press from the Wall campaign than it got on it's own right. The sign thing (which I'm sure you're well aware of) was probably the deal breaker. It doesn't matter how legal or not the action is, you NEVER want to be caught with anything related to the opponents campaign. If you're gonna pick it up, go straight to the nearest dumpster.

Also, there was plenty of negative campaigning on here from Caroline's sister as well as a lawyer who supported her by quoting court cases and nitpicking active casework.

No matter what the Wall campaign could claim, or even prove, the Kuehn campaign did; the Wall campaign was in it as well. Unless you kept your own nose clean, don't complain about how dirty someone else's is.

"You Protest too much sir"   I guess my question caused quite a sting in your sense of moral being...You did not even answer the question ...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....when you have no need for the truth...lies suffice and spread like a plague.  If someone does not agree with you then, it is obvious their civil rights are frivolous...you would have made a good Nazi.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Madame X


"You Protest too much sir"   I guess my question caused quite a sting in your sense of moral being...You did not even answer the question ...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....when you have no need for the truth...lies suffice and spread like a plague.  If someone does not agree with you then, it is obvious their civil rights are frivolous...you would have made a good Nazi.

Point out one inaccuracy in anything I said.

Thank you.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Madame X


You did not even answer the question...

Uhhhh...did you not see MY question, Madame X? The reason I'm asking is because you didn't answer it and it would make you look kind of silly if you complained about someone not answering your question when you didn't answer someone else's question.

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...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....

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...you would have made a good Nazi.

What an revealing juxtapositioning of two comments in the same post. That's kind of unfortunate for you because it kinda makes you look like a hypocrite.

By the way, how do you "dissent information"?

One more question, if you're willing to answer IT. You're not by any chance a law school student are you?

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Madame X

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The name seems to match..

I followed the Judicial races more this year than any year previous. I much "negative campaigning" other than from the repubs with their "oh yeah, well candidate y supported kerry" ads.

I never saw a single negative thing from kuehn but I saw plenty of things from the wall campaign that were either negative or "playing the victim." A jail employee messed up one fact that he told the world and youd've though Kuehn was putting babies on spikes from the outrage spit out from the Wall campaign. The detail was cleared up, it was no big deal. The whole thing got 10X more press from the Wall campaign than it got on it's own right. The sign thing (which I'm sure you're well aware of) was probably the deal breaker. It doesn't matter how legal or not the action is, you NEVER want to be caught with anything related to the opponents campaign. If you're gonna pick it up, go straight to the nearest dumpster.

Also, there was plenty of negative campaigning on here from Caroline's sister as well as a lawyer who supported her by quoting court cases and nitpicking active casework.

No matter what the Wall campaign could claim, or even prove, the Kuehn campaign did; the Wall campaign was in it as well. Unless you kept your own nose clean, don't complain about how dirty someone else's is.

"You Protest too much sir"   I guess my question caused quite a sting in your sense of moral being...You did not even answer the question ...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....when you have no need for the truth...lies suffice and spread like a plague.  If someone does not agree with you then, it is obvious their civil rights are frivolous...you would have made a good Nazi.

Scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RecycleMichael]

Is this not you posting on Batesline during the primary against Dana Kuehn?

Dana Kuehn's use of the area police department's endorsements is scary. Our system has checks and balances...not rubber stamps. How can she claim to be "fair" if she is in lockstep with the police and district attorney. That is injustice....not justice

http://www.batesline.com/archives/002589.html

[Madame X]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Madame X


"You Protest too much sir"   I guess my question caused quite a sting in your sense of moral being...You did not even answer the question ...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....when you have no need for the truth...lies suffice and spread like a plague.  If someone does not agree with you then, it is obvious their civil rights are frivolous...you would have made a good Nazi.

Point out one inaccuracy in anything I said.

Thank you.

I stopped counting at 5.  I did not post the question to discuss this issue.  I will not be posting anymore replys.  You obviously know everything there is to know about everything and unable of any discussion which requires an open mind. The truth will come out, but not on this venue.  High Tech Lynching bores me.

[Madame X]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by Madame X


You did not even answer the question...

Uhhhh...did you not see MY question, Madame X? The reason I'm asking is because you didn't answer it and it would make you look kind of silly if you complained about someone not answering your question when you didn't answer someone else's question.

I believe you generalization was a bit hasty...Your argument based on the large part of the issue only has a sample which is far too small to make a reasonable deduction and shows a bias.  I will not make future post to this forum.  I am bored with High Tech Lynchings.

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...instead you felt compelled to attack and dissent mis-information....

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...you would have made a good Nazi.

What an revealing juxtapositioning of two comments in the same post. That's kind of unfortunate for you because it kinda makes you look like a hypocrite.

By the way, how do you "dissent information"?

One more question, if you're willing to answer IT. You're not by any chance a law school student are you?

[snopes]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by Madame X

Her name was reported as Virginia Howie...or something like that...and we all know the press never gets their facts mixed up.

That's kind of a vague answer. Are you saying it wasn't you?

My thoughts exactly!

[RecycleMichael]

Let's lay off of madame x.

She didn't realize we are all sharks, looking for our next meal.

I think the topic is a good one for discussion.

Are appointed judges better than elected ones? Is there a better way to select judges?

I have always liked the way radio stations select winners...the tenth caller gets to be judge for a week!  Or how about a lottery...put all the attorneys names in a hat and pick one?

Maybe we could have a game show like Jeopardy of legal questions? High score wins a robe!