BUH-BYE Heavenly Hospitality

[Sangria]

I could understand it if the new bus station was an eyesore, but it is actually a very nice modern bulding - AND IT'S PAID FOR !!!!

I think the real issue is, people who have to ride a bus won't be the kind of people who can afford their hotel rates. [}:)] Therefore, they want it gone.

I would like to see an affordable chain grab it up myself. We have a high end hotel down town already. A lot of people will stay over if the rooms are affordable and people who stay over will also have to eat etc....

So maybe we should be approaching Holiday Inn or Best Western.

Anyway, it's good to see at least one man putting the good of our city first. That don't seem to happen very often these days.

[rwarn17588]

I predict that HH will cave and simply pretend its problems with the bus station never existed.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I predict that HH will cave and simply pretend its problems with the bus station never existed.

I predict HH will walk away and blame it on the bus station, hoping no one will notice they have never developed anything anywhere near this scale, and appear to be in over their heads with this project.

[Double A]

The pratical progressive calls it like it is.

[tim huntzinger]

Can we at least implement some moratorium on the confounded train horn??  I read their concern about the bus station as code for concern about all the scruffy homeless types.  But that train horn! Holy smokes!

[carltonplace]

^ Already taken care of. The quiet zone should be in place by next summer.

[tim huntzinger]

That is excellent news!  That should help out quite a bit!

So the sticking point is the bus station?  For whom do these builders think they are building? Urbophiles are known for tolerating such things as scruffy downtown denizens.

[Sangria]

If they want to get rid of the homeless then they need to concentrate on getting the Salvation Army and other charity organizations to move away from downtown. The homeless will follow them.

It would be nice to relocate those places to an area where there is more room and put the food stamp office, Salvation Army and those places where there is better parking and away from the general traffic of down town.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Sangria

If they want to get rid of the homeless then they need to concentrate on getting the Salvation Army and other charity organizations to move away from downtown. The homeless will follow them.

It would be nice to relocate those places to an area where there is more room and put the food stamp office, Salvation Army and those places where there is better parking and away from the general traffic of down town.

How about broken arrow?

[ttown_jeff]

Here's an idea a couple of years too late, How about putting the two bus stations together at the current Greyhound location. I know,  it makes too much sense. I was in NYC this past summer.  All the buses, local and intra and interstate originate at the same location.

And don't give me any grief about federal/state money. They could've worked something out.  Everything is negotiable.  

For my money, tear the new bus station down down, and bring in some PRIVATE development.  At least they would have a STAKE in their HOLDINGS (pun intended).

[ttown_jeff]

That's a great idea!  We should move all the people we are too ashamed to look at to other places so we never have to look at them, or even deal with them.

How about we move them all to South Dakota?  That way we can just donate money at Christmastime, so we don't feel so guilty eating our 3500 calorie dinners.

I thought that was the unspoken reason the Salvation Army was built where it was - to be close to the Jail.  It makes perfect sense, right?

I mean, aren't these the reasons for great ideas such as:
Gated communities
HUD projects (this is SUCH a great idea)
Specially named schools  - for instance TSST
Hissom (Oh, bring back Hissom, please!)

That way you could keep all the people you don't want to look at away from downtown.  It would be awful to have to actually face these "people"

I hope these "people" aren't "disturbing your sensibilities"

Hey, lets all go down to John 3:16 on ONE DAY OF THE YEAR and show our kids how much we really love these people.  Make sure to wear your rubber gloves and dust masks.  Happy Thanksgiving...

[Double A]

Funny you mention Hissom, because it might be the new home for Bell's.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
There is a theory that Hammons was working with Lafortune to get the property and develop it. However, that theory was base don lafortune's plan to buy out the towerview slot. The city council shot that down. This single issue means a couple of million cost difference.

What finally ended up happening to the Towerview site?  Did the pair that wanted to make it into a loft project ever get anywhere?

[carltonplace]

There's quite a bit of speculation on that.

It could be that the current owners never intended to make the changes that they quoted to UTW, and always intended to let the price of the property skyrocket as the arena went up accross the street. Its also been said that they have been removing fixtures from the building. I've also heard that they claim that they did not get full disclosure on the state of the building when they bought it.

[carltonplace]

The Tulsa Development Authority has officialy rejected the HH deal.

Its interesting that the developer is talking about "screening" the MTTA terminal to the paper now that the deal is dead. He never waivered on that point when he posted here.