Councilor Seeks to Annex Fairgrounds

[nsugrad_05]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

[Conan71]

I went to school with Robbie and have always been on friendly terms with him.  I, like countless other native Tulsan's, have fond memories of Bell's.  

However, it sounds as if the county is having to subsidize Bell's existence via modified rent on the space.  I don't see where Bell's would have a major impact on bringing sales tax revenue into the city (i.e. people coming in from out of town to Tulsa at any time other than the fair to specifically go to Bell's).  The vast majority of the jobs there are seasonal and part-time- most of which go to teens.  They will be able to find other employment.

My point is, I will miss Bell's but I don't see how it's incumbent upon taxpayers to subsidize a business that by all accounts (in the media anyhow) is becoming less and less viable.

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

Those buildings are within city limits, technically and otherwise.

[aoxamaxoa]

About time for those Birchers to get outa town. I thought the STEP UP TULSA kids wanted Tulsa to be more tolerant. This is a step in the right direction.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

About time for those Burchers to get outa town. I thought the STEP UP TULSA kids wanted Tulsa to be more tolerant. This is a step in the right direction.

Note from the anal-retentives like myself. It's Bircher's. []

As was pointed out to me recently, Bell's is a haven for juvenile delinquents and serves as a final destination for them once they arrive. In other words, they don't just visit and move on. There is nothing else around there for them to do so they stay and create problems. Put an amusement park next to the river in Sand Springs, near an entertainment district or a downtown and the problem is dissipated.

[MH2010]

I don't care about Bell's one way or the other but I do hope the city annexs (sp?) the fair grounds for the sales tax revenue it would generate.

[nsugrad_05]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

Those buildings are within city limits, technically and otherwise.

Wrong, The S.O. takes calls for service at those locations, except for the Fed buildings, the courthouse, the county shelter, the health department etc.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

Those buildings are within city limits, technically and otherwise.

Wrong, The S.O. takes calls for service at those locations, except for the Fed buildings, the courthouse, the county shelter, the health department etc.

TCSO takes care of the fair grounds including Bell's.  TPD does not respond to calls inside the fairgrounds unless they are asked to by TCSO.  That tends to happen often in the summer when Bell's is in full swing.

However, there are a members of TPD that have county commissions so they can go in there without being asked (i.e. Gang Unit, warrants unit ect.)

TCSO run the County Courthouse (prisoners and security) but TPD can enforce laws within the building.  I think an MOU between the city and county was done regarding this some years ago.

[nsugrad_05]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

Those buildings are within city limits, technically and otherwise.

Wrong, The S.O. takes calls for service at those locations, except for the Fed buildings, the courthouse, the county shelter, the health department etc.

TCSO takes care of the fair grounds including Bell's.  TPD does not respond to calls inside the fairgrounds unless they are asked to by TCSO.  That tends to happen often in the summer when Bell's is in full swing.

However, there are a members of TPD that have county commissions so they can go in there without being asked (i.e. Gang Unit, warrants unit ect.)

TCSO run the County Courthouse (prisoners and security) but TPD can enforce laws within the building.  I think an MOU between the city and county was done regarding this some years ago.

I am certain that TCSO takes calls at the Courthouse. Usually domestics from the 1st floor. I have never seen a Tulsa Police Officer taking a report in the building.

That being said. I dont think that it is necessarily a bad thing, the anexxing the fairgrounds, then TPD can take the numerous larceny reports every time there is a trade show, or the vehicle burglaries that happen all summer long, or the numerous 911 trouble unknown calls.

And dont forget the fair. That is the GIANT pain in the a$$ every year.

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by nsugrad_05

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why couldn't the city annex the fairgrounds?  There's a difference between owning the land and just bringing it within city limits.  After all, the federal buildings are within city limits.  So are other county buildings, such as the courthouse.

Those buildings are technically not in the city limits. The TPD officers technically cannot take enforcement action at the courthouse.

Those buildings are within city limits, technically and otherwise.

Wrong, The S.O. takes calls for service at those locations, except for the Fed buildings, the courthouse, the county shelter, the health department etc.

So what?  What does that have to do with the extent of city limits.  You are talking about two different things.

[MH2010]

You're right about taking calls inside the courthouse.  TCSO does take care of the security of the courthouse but TPD can enforce laws if they need to.

[nsugrad_05]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

You're right about taking calls inside the courthouse.  TCSO does take care of the security of the courthouse but TPD can enforce laws if they need to.

That MOU that you talked about has been in effect for as long as I have been around.

Anyway, what do you at the PD think about the having to work the fair and all the other silly stuff that camoes along out there? Has that been mentioned yet? I was just wondering.

[MH2010]

No one I've talked to is happy about working the fair or the other things that go on there.  

I don't think we have the manpower to do it.  

There will have to be some MOU written with the Sheriff's department or the City will have to hire about 100 more officers to deal with the add workload.

[Trams]

The Bell's concept is nice, but that place is not in very good condition, anyway.  It needs a serious re-vamp, even assuming it stays where it is.  

Maybe a move would help it modernize.

[South_Tulsan]

There's no way the City will annex the fairgrounds. Right from the start the news media reported that this was a highly unlikely senario.

Besides, Bell's has unofficially found a new home...