downtown arena

[ky]

[8D]I think the downtown arena is a great choice just because right now every big concert or anything goes to oklahoma city because we have nothing big enough to hold concerts in. I know even when Garth Brookes came to town they had his concert in the drillers stadium. How dumb!! Maybe now we can get an actual NBA basketball team .

[tulsa_fan]

One thing I keep thinking about though, is this.  I went to OKC to see Toby Kieth, it was a great concert, almost full, but maybe not totally a sellout.  Then he can to Tulsa at the Convention Center, trying to be a Tulsa supporter, I went again with some friends.  It wasn't even close to a sellout.  I just wonder, can we really fill the arena?  I hope so, but I keep remembering my experience so far.  It'll be interesting.  I know I'll do my best to support it, I just hope it's a success.

[bacjz00]

The current convention center doesn't promote itself or its events very well right now.  There isn't a HUGE volume of headliner events flowing through that place.  Once the events start booking for the BOK Center, you will see new a new strategy for advertising these events.

The facts are that Tulsa's surrounding area  has a much bigger base to draw from than does OKC.  We can draw from SE Kansas, SW Missouri and Arkansas where there is little to NO competition for these big events.  

We will be fine

[aoxamaxoa]

We will survive....the arena will be a white elephant.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by bacjz00

The current convention center doesn't promote itself or its events very well right now.  There isn't a HUGE volume of headliner events flowing through that place.  Once the events start booking for the BOK Center, you will see new a new strategy for advertising these events.

The facts are that Tulsa's surrounding area  has a much bigger base to draw from than does OKC.  We can draw from SE Kansas, SW Missouri and Arkansas where there is little to NO competition for these big events.  

We will be fine

But, but, we are a river town. We should be developing the river. We were duped into voting for the arena. It will never succeed.

[tim huntzinger]

The Arena will cost the City, but benefit the County, right? Is that not the rationale for building it?  I can accept the idea that the Arena will be a loss-leader, but do not understand why the City has to own it.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

The Arena will cost the City, but benefit the County, right? Is that not the rationale for building it?  I can accept the idea that the Arena will be a loss-leader, but do not understand why the City has to own it.

County paid to build it, city gets a free arena and free convention center tune-up. They get free buildings and can claim the secondary benefits as primary in all PR.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by bacjz00

The current convention center doesn't promote itself or its events very well right now.  There isn't a HUGE volume of headliner events flowing through that place.  Once the events start booking for the BOK Center, you will see new a new strategy for advertising these events.

The facts are that Tulsa's surrounding area  has a much bigger base to draw from than does OKC.  We can draw from SE Kansas, SW Missouri and Arkansas where there is little to NO competition for these big events.  

We will be fine

But, but, we are a river town. We should be developing the river. We were duped into voting for the arena. It will never succeed.

For Tulsa to be a great city it needs its downtown AND the river to be interesting destinations.  Its not an either or situation.  If we want Tulsa to succeed WE have to make it succeed.  If the areana fails it will be because we let it.  With the right amount of creativity and drive we can make Tulsa and the arena a draw.  Saying it will fail is you saying you are not going to put any effort to help it succeed. This is a community project, a city project so its up to the community and the city to make it a success.

This facility will be much better than the convention center.  Even for someone like me who wants to go to different events the convention center was a depressing facility to be in.  It felt like visiting a dark prison not a fun "event".  Our new arena will be a great place to visit.

[carltonplace]

^Well said

[swake]

The largest pubic facility management firm in the world is going to run the arena and they say it will turn a profit.

But from reading online I would guess they reached that position by not knowing as much as people on message boards and blos or just by lying.

What do you think?

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by swake

The largest pubic facility management firm in the world is going to run the arena and they say it will turn a profit.

But from reading online I would guess they reached that position by not knowing as much as people on message boards and blos or just by lying.

What do you think?

OK Swake.... This is a trick question... correct.?

You are intelligent and you realize there is a difference between "generating revenue....... and turning a profit".

No doubt the Arena will generate revenue..

Will it make in excess of one Million Dollars per month (over and above operating cost.. management cost.. etc.) for the first 15 years it is open..?

If you have an analyst that can make that sort of leap... Ask him what the Dow will be doing in five years..? I need his name.....

But again from reading other things you have written on this and other Boards... This has to be a trick question..

On the other hand.. this will be a stepping stone for other things... So should that revenue be counted as Arena Profit..?

Here is hoping that there is no such thing as a "Bubble" in the New Urban..Modern Form Base Code Building.. Non Sprawl.. Downtown Core Development Boom...!

[Johnboy976]

Downtown economic profit... certainly.

[bacjz00]

Some people will just never understand...look folks...we have close to a million people in the Tulsa MSA.  Having a place that seats more than 10,000 people indoors at one time isn't exactly EXCESSIVE.  It's practically a public necessity.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

The Arena will cost the City, but benefit the County, right? Is that not the rationale for building it?  I can accept the idea that the Arena will be a loss-leader, but do not understand why the City has to own it.

County paid to build it, city gets a free arena and free convention center tune-up. They get free buildings and can claim the secondary benefits as primary in all PR.

Wrong.

Citizens of the county pay taxes to build it.  City manages it.  Title held by city-county authority.  Everyone benefits.  

Creating some sort of city/county dichotomy is disingenuous.  It creates strife where there is none.  We're all in it together and the arena will benefit everyone.

[aoxamaxoa]

^well you are way too late so quit that attitude and just start showing up for the tractor pulls....afterwards, you can get smashed at the multitudes of boozeries that will make Tulsa a landmark for thousands all over the world to be attracted to. It will make us quite different than everywhere else. The design alone of the new arena will make it the second splendor right behind ORU....

Now, if we could only fix the streets leading to the new arena everything would be peaches and cream.