What are the boundaries of "midtown" to you?

[cannon_fodder]

Midtown -
North:  
11th Street - jutting in to incorporate TU and the neighborhood just to the east of it.

The area between TU and 15th is CERTAINLY midtown. Dense, older houses, nice and pricey!

East-
Sheridan.  

After Yale areas get kinda if-y.  But I consider the Promenade shopping mall and the housing behind it to be midtown. As well as the Target and Reasors near Expo.   So Sheridan it is.

South - I-44.

I understand parts are actually Brookside, but most of Brookside has a midtown feel to it anyway, and I dont want to draw a meandering line.  Else I would cut midtown off at the creek near brookside but would incorporation Harvard to I-44, 41st minimum.

West:
River.

Clearly the area inside the IDL and Boston area are downtown.  I also consider the pearl and the highrise condos on the river to be downtown more than midtown.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Aa5drvr

If you plotted sales tax revenue geographically where would "Midtown" be?  
(Remember, those girls on 11th street dont collect sales tax.)

I liked the remark about realtors squeezing as much into "midtown" as possible.  Years ago I asked a realtor why she listed her property with the heading "Bixby Schools."  
She told me that was code for "Not TPS.")

hahahahaha...that AWESOME!

i like the pmcaulk definition, but extend that down to 61st st.

[patric]

The Whirled seems to feel midtown extends to McClain high school at 4929 North Peoria.
(Feb 12 Community World -- Midtown, page 1.)

[deinstein]

East of the River, West of Yale, North of Interstate 44 and South of Interstate 244.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So far it seems that Average Joe's assessment has the most agreeing posts.

I change my mind and agree too.

I-244 to I-44, Sheridan to the river.

Be it so.

I thought we had a consensus on this one. It's a rare moment when the stars align and the three of us all agree on something.

[NCTulsan]

My personal boundaries for "Midtown" are:

Crosstown Expressway on the NORTH
Arkansas River on the WEST
Skelly Bypass on the SOUTH
Sheridan on the EAST (because that is where the named avenues end)

[LongtimeTulsan]

Reading the threads on this -- the square outlined just doesn't feel right -- starting asking self (and others) about that midtown "feel". Southroads definately no, max south border - 36th and it seems to curve in and out - include Brookside to about 36 - then a swing over to the 41st and Lewis area then swiftly north -- 41st and Harvard doesn't feel midtown, neither does 31st and Harvard, maybe cut by BA then up to Fairground (Pittsburgh) north to 11th, down 11th to TU, then west to about Peoria, diagonally to 18th & Cincinnati area, to the River.

Anything south of 41st - question if you really need it, Anything south of 61 - is worthy of a packed lunch, south of 91st - an overnight bag - further than that - is the North Dallas wasteland.

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan
North Dallas wasteland.

Oh, can we use this description instead of the developer created "South County".   It better fits the description of the area.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan


Anything south of 41st - question if you really need it, Anything south of 61 - is worthy of a packed lunch, south of 91st - an overnight bag - further than that - is the North Dallas wasteland.

please keep up the smug snobbery....it really feeds into the midtown sterotype.  You haven't proved me wrong yet!

[LongtimeTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan


Anything south of 41st - question if you really need it, Anything south of 61 - is worthy of a packed lunch, south of 91st - an overnight bag - further than that - is the North Dallas wasteland.

please keep up the smug snobbery....it really feeds into the midtown sterotype.  You haven't proved me wrong yet!

Not a midtowner, obviously. Ergo - if there is a thing as midtown sterotype then there is midtown boundaries. Just as .. pick an area - Jenks - is it the main street of Jenks or the sprawl of Jenks? What about East Tulsa? Where does East Tulsa start and stop - is it geographic boundaries or is there a feel to it? Is our concept of an area bordered by the routines of the day - i.e. downtown is a high rise and south is anything that takes more than a half an hour to get to? Where are the suburbs? Are they snobs if there is suburban boundaries?

In midtown - you can still get anywhere you want in under 10 minutes (use to be 5). The roads are 2-4 lane; traffic is slower paced. There are still mom & pops where people know you by name. The stores have been there for decades, there is a high level of predictability, of sameness, of generations. What midtown is not - it is not flash.

[LongtimeTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

Midtown must be defined by cultural boundaries as much as geographic boundaries.  And the boundaries  don't have to be rigid.  I think TU's campus should be considered in Midtown, as well as Utica Square, Brookside, Cherry Street, the fairgrounds, and the Promenade area.  Midtown is really a combination of smaller individual districts.  That said, it seems that I've created a loosely defined boundary from 11th St. to 51st St., and from Peoria to Sheridan.  South of 21st St., Midtown extends to the river. The area between Yale and Sheridan is kind of a gray area, part Midtown, and part East Tulsa.  51st St. is also kind of a grey area, with 51st and Peoria as the beginning of Brookside, and 51st and Yale more a part of South Tulsa.

Definately - a blend of cultural and geographic boundaries

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan


Anything south of 41st - question if you really need it, Anything south of 61 - is worthy of a packed lunch, south of 91st - an overnight bag - further than that - is the North Dallas wasteland.

please keep up the smug snobbery....it really feeds into the midtown sterotype.  You haven't proved me wrong yet!

I grew up in South Tulsa, and I prefer the smug Midtown snobbery to the South Tulsa snobbery anytime.  At least Midtown has something unique to brag about.

[Kenosha]

Broadly, TU to 51st.

River to Yale.


Narrowly...the epicenter of Midtown is 21st and Utica.

[Kenosha]

Broadly, TU to 51st.

River to Yale.


Narrowly...the epicenter of Midtown is 21st and Utica.

Edison and the southern part of Rogers districts.

[LongtimeTulsan]

epicenter -- waffling between Utica Square and 15th and Utica area