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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2007, 06:04:58 pm » |
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The Casino is actualy paying for that.
Yes, that's true. It's also a lesson on the politics of building trails when they cross city, county, state, federal, and tribal lands. Each government gets a say on how or if the trail will go through. Then toss in the bureaucratic hassles of whose budget pays for construction and maintenance, and it can rapidly turn into a difficult project. |
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2007, 06:45:41 pm » |
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I completely agree that these improvements will lead to other good development. Huge chunk of private money - no complaints from me there.
However, the 'chat' material has really got me concerned.
Are they really planning to use mining waste that contains lead, cadmium, and Zink?
Does this hold up t the "standards of excellence that we think Tulsa deserves."?!
Was this a foot-in-mouth use of the word 'chat'?
Will you feel better if it was refered to as screenings.....Another name for crushed limestone....No conspiracy here.... |
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2007, 10:54:07 pm » |
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Hard to find the negatives in this one, though I am sure you all will give it your best shot.
I knew you had it in you. Nice work.
Constructive criticism is an opportunity to improve on something. Please take it in that spirit, and the realization that there might not be a better chance at "do-overs" for a long, long time. The development of our river is a critical yet fragile endeavor. It would be irresponsible of us not to give it a closer look. |
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2007, 12:56:46 am » |
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I completely agree that these improvements will lead to other good development. Huge chunk of private money - no complaints from me there.
It is interesting that the plan includes the west bank at 21st St and that the article mentions the public projects in the 3rd penny (there were also $1m or so for bank improvements in V2025).
Just to re-cap a few of those projects are:
* An Improved "River's Edge" restaurant
* A stage at 21st on the East Bank
* A new theater on the west bank
* a marina where the current theater is
I'm sorry, these make me laugh! A marina? A stage? A theater? Please. Improving "Rivers Edge"? That wouldn't take much. How did I miss this stuff. Silliness.
This list was put forward by the former mayor, right before the end of his term. There was also an east bank boardwalk and a bid grab for the Towerview that Councilor Martin and then Councilor Baker (respectively) removed. Remember that this was the time after the INCOG plan and before the Channels. |
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2007, 01:14:04 am » |
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The Casino is actualy paying for that.
Yes, that's true. It's also a lesson on the politics of building trails when they cross city, county, state, federal, and tribal lands. Each government gets a say on how or if the trail will go through. Then toss in the bureaucratic hassles of whose budget pays for construction and maintenance, and it can rapidly turn into a difficult project.
True enough. but I don't get the impression that the CN is looking to impose their will on the trail, I think they're trying to make certain concessions to get their Casino/Hotel built and this expediates/greases the process. |
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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2007, 09:07:09 am » |
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trees have been tagged between 21st and the ped bridge...
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2007, 11:43:03 am » |
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trees have been tagged between 21st and the ped bridge...
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2007, 02:47:17 pm » |
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trees have been tagged between 21st and the ped bridge...
Tagged . . . for termination?
...as in being replaced by asphalt?
Well frankly whoever designed it in the first place, planted waaay to many trees in some areas anyway. And as we all know they didn't put enough water in the river either. Oh, and while I am at it, Can someone please call whoever needs to be called and get rid of this cold weather, I am like sooo over it. [  ] |
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2007, 03:41:05 pm » |
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How about a little negativity in this sea of positive feeling?
Was the decision to update the trail based on any input from the public?
Or was this an entirely top-down decision?
You know, folks at the head of the food chain telling people further down the food chain what they need.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2007, 04:02:41 pm » |
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How about a little negativity in this sea of positive feeling?
Was the decision to update the trail based on any input from the public?
Or was this an entirely top-down decision?
You know, folks at the head of the food chain telling people further down the food chain what they need.
They're making the trail wider, thats it. I don't see how a wider trail with a seperate road for joggers and for bikes could be any sort of conspiracy of evil men at the top controlling the poor unwashed masses. An updated path to jog on without worrying about getting run over by a bike because you have headphones on and couldn't hear the guy yell "left" (Edit: I hope you were being facetious and I replied in vain  ) |
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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2007, 10:44:10 pm » |
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Yeah I sort of felt like uhh when I read that the money is going towards widening the path to fit the bikes and the joggers...
That’s a lot of money towards the river trail paths...
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2007, 01:24:06 am » |
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They're making the trail wider, thats it. I don't see how a wider trail with a seperate road for joggers and for bikes could be any sort of conspiracy of evil men at the top controlling the poor unwashed masses. An updated path to jog on without worrying about getting run over by a bike because you have headphones on and couldn't hear the guy yell "left"
(Edit: I hope you were being facetious and I replied in vain )
[  ] That's assuming the bikers actually yell "left". I run on the Riverparks 4-5 days a week...and it's probably 50/50 (no offense to the bikers out there...plenty of knucklehead runners and walkers as well). As a runner and someone who enjoys the trails...I give this project a very enthusiastic thumbs up. |
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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2007, 01:42:38 am » |
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Also, River Parks want to re-locate the trail to the west of the casino, between it and the river rather than the present alignment.
The Casino is actualy paying for that.
Thanks, I was just about to mention that. |
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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2007, 01:49:12 am » |
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The Casino is actualy paying for that.
Yes, that's true. It's also a lesson on the politics of building trails when they cross city, county, state, federal, and tribal lands. Each government gets a say on how or if the trail will go through. Then toss in the bureaucratic hassles of whose budget pays for construction and maintenance, and it can rapidly turn into a difficult project.
I think this kind of checks and balances is a positive thing, because even though it might slow things down and seem inconvenient, it ensures that the final product(for better or for worse) is something everybody agreed on. |
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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2007, 12:42:59 pm » |
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So the trails upgrade wasn't actually the "Kaiser River Plan", it was simply a generous gift from Mr. Kaiser. The actual Kaiser River Plan was unveiled in the Sunday paper. First blush: looks a reasonable set of concepts, and I particularly appreciate the fact they acknowledge that a lot more work and study needs to be done. Also noted -- they plan on the public taking part in the process once the engineering studies of what's possible are done. Cautiously optimistic thumbs up so far. |
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