New Developer for the East End

[TheArtist]

They will only be a "good fit" if people buy their stuff there. If they aren't a good fit, then they will fail.  I don't think they would be any more the "centerpiece of the community" than Home Depot is considered to be one now. I have absolutely no desire to shop at Wal-Mart because they have nothing that I want.  However, they recognize that there are different communities, not all their stores are alike. One of my friends told be about a store in the revitalizing downtown Fort Worth and one in Plano.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=8d88ee47-0cc8-4162-a61e-283ae30c9e35&p=Source_Today%20Show&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11957536/&fg=


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FNP/is_18_43/ai_n6211244

http://www.nbc5i.com/newsarchive/8161624/detail.html

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

They will only be a "good fit" if people buy their stuff there. If they aren't a good fit, then they will fail.  I don't think they would be any more the "centerpiece of the community" than Home Depot is considered to be one now. I have absolutely no desire to shop at Wal-Mart because they have nothing that I want.  However, they recognize that there are different communities, not all their stores are alike. One of my friends told be about a store in the revitalizing downtown Fort Worth and one in Plano.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=8d88ee47-0cc8-4162-a61e-283ae30c9e35&p=Source_Today%20Show&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11957536/&fg=


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FNP/is_18_43/ai_n6211244

http://www.nbc5i.com/newsarchive/8161624/detail.html

A lot of the features of this store were put into the new 71st store. Wider aisles, cut-throughs, wood shelving and flooring in some areas, less clutter, sheetrock to the ceiling, etc, etc.

[perspicuity85]

The original "Wal-Mart" was known as Walton's 5 and Dime, and was very compatible with the urban environment, as seen in this picture
Maybe Wal-Mart should bring back the "Walton's 5 and Dime" name for nostalgic-type stores in urban landscapes.  They could provide many of the same products found in their traditional Wal-Marts, but market Walton's 5 and Dime as a select store.  I think a nostalgic store could even add value to Wal-Mart's traditional every-day products in the eye of the consumer.  

What does TulsaNow think?  Is this a good idea or is it crap?

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

The original "Wal-Mart" was known as Walton's 5 and Dime, and was very compatible with the urban environment, as seen in this picture
Maybe Wal-Mart should bring back the "Walton's 5 and Dime" name for nostalgic-type stores in urban landscapes.  They could provide many of the same products found in their traditional Wal-Marts, but market Walton's 5 and Dime as a select store.  I think a nostalgic store could even add value to Wal-Mart's traditional every-day products in the eye of the consumer.  

What does TulsaNow think?  Is this a good idea or is it crap?

Hmmmm.. Walton's 5 and dime....?

Family Dollar......Hmmmmm

Dollar General.....Hmmmmm

I'll Pass. But geez the street people could get great deals on mouthwash.!

[cannon_fodder]

Rico, I read your post and I'm afraid I dont get what you're trying to say.

Is WalMart the Arabian men trying to force monkey brains on Tulsa?  I understand that you cheer for the little guy and dont want them ruined by WalMart (or Home Depot) trying to make money, but exactly what small shops in the East End will be driven out anyway?  For that matter, if there were shops in the East End shouldnt it be up to the people to decide which store does well and which store falters - or is telling people where to shop a proper role of government?

Not sure I follow your train of thought.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Rico, I read your post and I'm afraid I dont get what you're trying to say.

Is WalMart the Arabian men trying to force monkey brains on Tulsa?  I understand that you cheer for the little guy and dont want them ruined by WalMart (or Home Depot) trying to make money, but exactly what small shops in the East End will be driven out anyway?  For that matter, if there were shops in the East End shouldnt it be up to the people to decide which store does well and which store falters - or is telling people where to shop a proper role of government?

Not sure I follow your train of thought.

Hello Fodder,

I don't think a person such as yourself will ever be able to follow my thought pattern.... If you were, then I would be doing something wrong.

And No I don't think Government should be telling folks where to shop...
I also do not think that TIFF's should be given or created for the largest retailer in the world.

As to the story in regards to monkey brains....

I assume your lack of understanding, of the story, stems from the thought that money should dictate the action of others... In every circumstance..

But if that is not the case pm me and I will try to put it in terms that are easier to understand...

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Rico
1. Money can not and should not give one the means to behave however they choose to. Nor should it give you the power to move into a Community and install your Company as the Centerpiece of that Community..

All those that have responded to this article, and do not plan to do any more than the occasional visit to the "East End", should find something that will impact their lives to a greater degree and install a Wal-Mart in that.

The only problem with your arguement is that you are pretending something of worth already exists in the East End.  Like it is already some nice neighborhood that Wal-mart is going to level and take over.  Right now it is a decrepit collection of run down warehouses, surface parking, weeds, miscellaneous rusty sh!t, etc...

I know you'll say I'm lacking vision, or settling for less, but the truth to many people is that right now that district is completely worthless.  Perhaps a Wal-mart could be the catalyst to a not-quite-perfect but productive economic engine to help CREATE a core that we currently don't have downtown.  If Wal-mart is the only one willing to risk kickstarting the area, that just seems to be the situation doesnt it?  I'd prefer a kickstart over letting the area continue to rot like it is now.

Basically my point is that there is no "community" there now for Wal-mart to "take over".  But it strikes a possibility of firing up new activity there.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

The original "Wal-Mart" was known as Walton's 5 and Dime, and was very compatible with the urban environment, as seen in this picture
Maybe Wal-Mart should bring back the "Walton's 5 and Dime" name for nostalgic-type stores in urban landscapes.  They could provide many of the same products found in their traditional Wal-Marts, but market Walton's 5 and Dime as a select store.  I think a nostalgic store could even add value to Wal-Mart's traditional every-day products in the eye of the consumer.  

What does TulsaNow think?  Is this a good idea or is it crap?

Nice idea, but I don't think Wal-mart is interested in doing specialty stores.  The purpose of a Wal-mart is to be a one stop spot for people to buy everything they need in life.    I think they sell everything but coffins there.

[jdb]

"Right now it is a decrepit collection of..."

Good thing all some people have controll of is their ill informed opinon.

jdb

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"Right now it is a decrepit collection of..."

Good thing all some people have controll of is their ill informed opinon.

jdb

I admit my description was based on memories of trips through the area.  Just for you, I will do a drive-through tomorrow and update you with my current opinion.  I'll eat humble pie if I see functioning society in the confines of the proposed East End area.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"Right now it is a decrepit collection of..."

Good thing all some people have controll of is their ill informed opinon.

jdb

I admit my description was based on memories of trips through the area.  Just for you, I will do a drive-through tomorrow and update you with my current opinion.  I'll eat humble pie if I see functioning society in the confines of the proposed East End area.

While you are trying to see "functioning society" you might check the recent Real Estate transactions and notice what everyone else has...
Land Value in the East End is through the roof..

Someone must feel that the area is worth something..

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"Right now it is a decrepit collection of..."

Good thing all some people have controll of is their ill informed opinon.

jdb

I admit my description was based on memories of trips through the area.  Just for you, I will do a drive-through tomorrow and update you with my current opinion.  I'll eat humble pie if I see functioning society in the confines of the proposed East End area.

While you are trying to see "functioning society" you might check the recent Real Estate transactions and notice what everyone else has...
Land Value in the East End is through the roof..

Someone must feel that the area is worth something..

Yea, I will believe it when I see something being built on those vacant lots.  Right now I get the feeling I am seeing a rerun of property speculators trying to make a buck off their land from someone else, but who have never thought it was worth taking the risk to build on themselves. But here is hoping that something actually happens this time.

[Rico]

Senor Arteest
Actually what you are seeing are residents that have lived there but do not have the funds to build what needs to go there... That and also people building Dream Homes..

The fact that the long time residents and property owners are making a buck is irrelevant...

The GLBT have made an investment... And it appears they are quite Happy...


One must remember that Nordam owns the majority of the property..

They outgrew this land many years ago.. That and it is for sale as a package deal... This has held up investors from being able to jump in..

It would have been nice if the Nordam holdings could have been sold off individually...

But..... NOT TO WALLY WORLD.........!

p.s. money bags... put some money on the table for ttown jeffs market.......
[}:)]

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"Right now it is a decrepit collection of..."

Good thing all some people have controll of is their ill informed opinon.

jdb

I admit my description was based on memories of trips through the area.  Just for you, I will do a drive-through tomorrow and update you with my current opinion.  I'll eat humble pie if I see functioning society in the confines of the proposed East End area.

Gee JDB, sorry you couldn't come to the real east end of Tulsa (aka "east of 169")... I had some nice cheap Australian Merlot (or was it Shiraz) for you... was 2003 a good year for a box of Franzia White Zinn?  Don't have the money to go back to Europe anytime soon, so I guess I'll just have to be happy making a special trip to the downtown ATM across from Spirit Bank to check my balance... so I can listen to that  vitual ATM teller with the lovely english accent...

Anyway, YT... you'll see a buncha reasonably busy bars/clubs.... a residential building or two... and little else that functions after 6pm...

Very little that remotely resembles an actual neighborhood.

It's like walkable urbanity but it's missing that pesky walkable part while charging trendy overpriced rents based on future development and idle speculation...

What exactly IS Tulsa getting with the Brady TIF district (set to expire, BTW) and the Blue Dome TIF district?... tax-sheltered subsidies to make the areas of Blue Dome/Brady into one end of a drinker's see-saw?... with Cherry Street and Brookside at the other end...  

[sgrizzle]

The brady TIF was a mistake. It was instituted expect development that fell through.