New Developer for the East End

[RecycleMichael]

I predict there are going to be more announcements coming soon for east downtown Tulsa. Hundreds of office jobs, entertainment, retail, housing, hotels...everything.

Things are happening very fast and I am excited about all the new possibilities.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I predict there are going to be more announcements coming soon for east downtown Tulsa. Hundreds of office jobs, entertainment, retail, housing, hotels...everything.

Things are happening very fast and I am excited about all the new possibilities.

i predict rm might have inside info...

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I guess the clincher for which development group gets their way is going to be the Nordam property. Thats the property to keep your eye on.

Nordam is a family business.. Run by the Siegfried's of Tulsa...

The founder, Ray Siegfried and his wife Millan, made Tulsa there home of choice..

Their children now are many of the principals of the Board of Directors and the Nordam Company.

I think Nordam will sell to Global if they make good on the penalties regarding their purchase agreement...

The members of the Nordam family, the Siegfrieds, and all of the employees of their company... have many children..Grand Children...   What are kids going to like more...? the Global Ballpark or the Wal-Mart with the tacky swing out front..

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I predict there are going to be more announcements coming soon for east downtown Tulsa. Hundreds of office jobs, entertainment, retail, housing, hotels...everything.

Things are happening very fast and I am excited about all the new possibilities.

i predict rm might have inside info...

Psst... rm has been mobbed up for years.. careful what you say.

[}:)]

[DwnTwnTul]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070315_1_A1_Twode47740

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Rico


Psst... rm has been mobbed up for years.. careful what you say.

[}:)]

All he has to do is pick up the phone and have you "recycled."

[bacjz00]

It looks like this East End thing has gotten fairly complex.  No telling how this could go now.  I just hope whatever is done down there tries to tie in to the Blue Dome District further North...it's too bad all of this is on the complete OPPOSITE side of Downtown as the arena, but maybe this will allow downtown as a whole to raise its image a notch and not just one area.   Driving around today near the east side of DT, I saw a LOT of big empty parking lots....some of which aren't even going to be removed for the East End stuff.  Like SW corner of 4th and Elgin, NW corner of 3rd and Detroit, and 2nd street from Elgin to Greenwood on the north side.  Wow...these are entire city blocks being used for surface parking.  Ugly as sin. Can someone buy these up and just build some nice 2 story, brick buildings in the sprit of creating an urban landscape?

[jdb]

"...Can someone buy these up and just build some nice 2 story, brick buildings in the sprit of creating an urban landscape?"

A few people did, with a few building...am guessing from your diction, what your saying is you won't be happy with anything less then an overnight sensation?

Or is impulsiveness just natural?
jdb

[bacjz00]

No don't misunderstand me...I know it's not realistic to see something "urban" in these spaces overnight.  I guess I was just trying to emphasize how awful these spaces look now.  Literally ANYTHING would look better than what is there now (okay well maybe except for a Towerview building)

[TheArtist]

IF, a large development project goes in on the East End with housing, business, retail, and a grocery store.  Those other vacant lots and parking lots won't last too long.  Thank goodness.

Still hoping and keeping my fingers crossed.  But the markets have been a bit jittery.  If too many mortgage lenders start heading south and take a lot of other risky investments with them in a domino effect.  All this could vanish as these things have done before in Tulsa.  The usual pattern is, rest of the country goes gangbusters then juuuuust as Tulsa starts to pick up steam and join the parade, everything crashes and we are left with what could have been.  Its a race with the clock.

[doren50]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

IF, a large development project goes in on the East End with housing, business, retail, and a grocery store.  Those other vacant lots and parking lots won't last too long.  Thank goodness.

Still hoping and keeping my fingers crossed.  But the markets have been a bit jittery.  If too many mortgage lenders start heading south and take a lot of other risky investments with them in a domino effect.  All this could vanish as these things have done before in Tulsa.  The usual pattern is, rest of the country goes gangbusters then juuuuust as Tulsa starts to pick up steam and join the parade, everything crashes and we are left with what could have been.  Its a race with the clock.

If you follow the markets you would know that this is already occuring ... credit in any form is disappearing and risk for everything is being repriced.

Ever asked yourself why this always occurs to Tulsa? I'll tell you what I think -- Tulsa seems to exist in some kind of time warp. As someone else on this board said -- "Tulsa is the land that time forgot"

[jdb]

Well alrighty, you have just hammered the nail just slighty off-centre and bent it over.

Easy to fix.
However, correcting this situation will require some time, design, and energy (usually in the form of currency, but not much in my example here).

Time will be shorter in duration (20 - 30 seconds?) due to not having to operate according to an area inside "city limits", leanding institution's, and/or Home Depot rules and options:
section 2 article 7,
To witt: No employee shall be answerable to the person who ordered 4K worth of custom siding that was ruined by the forklift "operator" and said owner want's to explain how dissappointing and awefull this situation is for everyone involved with the project.

Nope, how about we don't be the one to pick up a  hammer and take on a project that they know will make them money, if not more - they might even build themselves a dream home by mistake.

If you've poured your heart out on a canvas and your lover looked and scowled would you be fair?

If you picked up a pile of trash on your sidewalk and then had the nieghbor call you a pig, would you mention your good deed?

Isn't there a respect quietly offered one who attempts such a project and suffers enough hardship's to fill a book, while having one hellva a good time, free from burb-comformity-routine, out of view from the long watchfull eye, rubbing proud blisters and aches - Omega Man on a Nirvana note?

I could go and but then everyone would wake up tommorow morning - late for work.

And then who would everyone talk to? Gasp!

Now returning you to the noraml line of posting - So easy, No pain, Anyone can do it! -  and will continue my altered sabatical, (Hic, Burp, Fart, Giggle) jdb

[jdb]

"credit in any form is disappearing and risk...".

Wonderfull, a fellow Washington Post reader.

Cheers, jbd

this just in:
"By the way Ruf... How does Wally World feel about soccer..?" - rico.

Dear Rico Sir,

Does the above question directed at "Ruf" acknowlage said poster as the "Source" on the subject of soccer, or do you mean USRufex has an inside scoop on the working of a "N.R.T.S.A.V.O.I's"?

[USRufnex]

ribbet...



Metaphor for downtown Tulsa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saU-Bl0feSs

Say, aren't we closing in on the 10 year anniversary of the Tulsa Project?

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

Isn't there a respect quietly offered one who attempts such a project and suffers enough hardship's to fill a book, while having one hellva a good time, free from burb-comformity-routine, out of view from the long watchfull eye, rubbing proud blisters and aches - Omega Man on a Nirvana note?

Any successful enclave, co-op or microhood will invariably become a tragic victim of its own success... the real deal is usually a moving target...

"...now snatch the pebble from my..."