Sound the alarm. Tulsa selling itself down river..

[inteller]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070301_Ne_A1_Broke15271

Listen, I'm sorry that St Francis is leaving BA, but that's not Tulsa's fault, and Tulsa doesn't need to be giving charity (in the form of tax revenue) to BA just because they don't have a hospital within their city limits.  

Everyone needs to stand up on this one, because no land short of the parcels Bass pro sits on can make up for giving the Heart Hospital land away.  This issue needs to die and die fast.

ALL south Tulsa land is VERY valuable.  Tulsa has invested SERIOUS infrastructure around the 91st/169 area.  Now they will PISS IT AWAY by giving the land to BA.  It seriously upsets the balance that is in that highly competitive area.  Tulsa is landlocked to the south and now BA wants to eat at Tulsa INWARD?!?!  The GALL!

I know many of you in mid town could care less.  but if this is given away it is a slippery slope downhill.  Next they will be giving Cherry street to Owasso since they don't have one of those (extreme I know).  Call your councilor and tell them to say NO to this crap.

BA needs to concentrate on getting a hospital on its far SE side, not STEALING one from Tulsa.

And please, before anyone from BA or otherwise gets on here and says no tax revenue will occur (like the carpetbaggers TW state)  most of that parcel is undeveloped, so St Francis could sell off a portion of it to a for profit organization and Tulsa would not get a dime of that revenue.

[TheArtist]

Says "land swap" in the article.  I would have to see what land Tulsa would be getting out of the deal. Since the hospital is a non-profit  Tulsa would not make any money off of that property per say through taxes, plus we already have hospitals.  Perhaps we should just take some property from BA, in the same area, that will make us some tax dollars.

[sgrizzle]

I agree we trade if we get bass pro in exchange.

Otherwise, HELL NO.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Says "land swap" in the article.  I would have to see what land Tulsa would be getting out of the deal. Since the hospital is a non-profit  Tulsa would not make any money off of that property per say through taxes, plus we already have hospitals.  Perhaps we should just take some property from BA, in the same area, that will make us some tax dollars.

Good point. Overall I think it's stupid just so people can "feel like" they have a BA hospital.

[brunoflipper]

there is no negative economic impact from this agreement for tulsa... it is symbolic gesture... it will impact the name of the new facility...

[inteller]

No thats horse****.  There is nothing good that can come of this for Tulsa.

Tulsa carved out its foothold on the south boundary, giving/trading/swapping any land on the south Tulsa border is a concession.  What is BA going to offer up?  The swampland at 101st/Garnett?  Or some of that "prime real estate" around 41st/145th?

There can be no good swap.  The symbolism is just stupid.  When you are rushing to the emergency room, you could give a crap what it is called.

It just pisses me off that when the ankle biters around Tulsa lose (or want) something they ***** and ***** until they get their way, but if Tulsa tries to protect its interests we are just the big bad monster.

This idea gets a big fat NO!

[sgrizzle]

Why not call it the BA hospital even if it is technically in Tulsa. It's a moving operation.

We call the CIA the Central INTELLIGENCE Agency and we "Lost" entertaining. When did we get so hung up on accurate titles?

[NCTulsan]

First we give-away land near 51st/145th so Broken Arrow can have their Battle Creek development within their city limits.  Then we fail to annex several miles of north Tulsa county which could have insured years of future development in the north.  Then we allow Sapulpa to swoop-in and annex the Town West commercial area.  And now we are chipping-away at our profitable southeast corner.  I say f*** Broken Arrow.  They should have been better equipped to negotiate with St. Francis on the front end, rather than whine to Tulsa simply to make them feel better.

[Stephen Colbert]

Apparently it's time to update my board.

[Porky]

I guess I don't see what the big deal is. The BA Hospital will now be basically in Tulsa and will support the south side along with South Crest. I personally think it's good for Tulsa and BA both. The east side has full access of these two hospitals from Hwy 169.

If anyone should have a gripe it would be North Tulsa. They need a full scale hospital up there with all the amenity's of our other hospitals.

[inteller]

yeah, you dont see Owasso for want of anything in north tulsa.

Broken arrow just wants another piece of the lucrative Union school district, plain and simple.[!]

All Tulsans need to call or write their councilor and tell them to not support ANY cedind/swapping/stealing of Tulsa.  Bill Christiansen serves the district in question.  If he sells out there will be hell to pay.

[AVERAGE JOE]

I have to agree with inteller on this one.

[Dana431]

I dont like the swap either.  If the land swap does happen, I hope Tulsa swaps only the the land directly beneath the hospital to Broken Arrow.  When the hospital relocates I'm sure medical office buildings will spring up around it.

[YoungTulsan]

This could be really underhanded depending on exactly what land the hospital owns and what is being "swapped".



The blue and green areas would be reasonable, since it is non-profit.  The spinsters at the TW wouldn't be lying if this is the case.

The yellow area is a very prime, large plot of land at an intersection that is sure to take off with sprawling developments, offices, and generally good sources of tax income once the land is sold to them.

The red area?  I don't know how much land St Francis owns here, but the fact that it sits empty right now concerns me.  It better not be going to B.A. - It is a huge chunk of land that will be sold to tax generating uses no doubt.

Another thing that I wonder about, is why have the medical offices preferred the Broken Arrow side of Garnett up until now?  Does being in Broken Arrow sweeten the deal for a medical office from an "image" standpoint, or tax standpoint?

But either way, there could be no reason for them to actually want to make this "swap" other than some manipulators behind the scenes waiting to make a bundle of money as a result.

Didn't Tulsa pay for the 91st street widening and lights?  Should Broken Arrow get a bill for all the work Tulsa did around here to make "Broken Arrow's" hospital accessible by streets and a major highway?

[TheArtist]

Good point about the road and who payed for it.  They would have to compensate for that.  The property thing, again, depends on what property they are getting and what we would be getting in return.  If it were ONLY hospital property and property for hospital expanse only, that is not going to generate tax dollars anyway, I say fine. Let them take the road leading up to the hospital as a connector to BA, and the land the hospital is on and compensate us for both.  This would not be a landgrab for the union school district since there would be no residences on that property to make it matter. Nor do I think there is some nefarious intention for someone to make a buck at the expense of the taxpayers.  I frankly think the whole deal will end up being more of a loss for BA and a potential gain for Tulsa and once BA realizes this the idea will fall through. Is it really so important to be able to say "We have a hospital" that they would trade us tax paying property for non tax paying property, and yes compensation for the road if thats warranted?  Plus lets remember there will be river and possible rail transportation votes coming up soon.  If they want something that will benefit them, we can want something in return. I really don't think the mayor, or whoever makes this descision, is not going to be thinking about what Tulsa can get out of this deal.