Tulsa Councilor pay

[shadows]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I believe you just dislike government workers on this one.

A police officer puts in his twenty years, then goes to work for the FBI, a school district or a different community and that is "double-dipping"?

A public works supervisor retires from the city, but is offered a management job with the county...is that double-dipping"?

Any public employee at any level decides to run for public office...and you call them double-dippers"?

Most of my family worked or works in public service for most of their life. They range from soldiers, to policemen, to secretaries, to teachers. Making stupid statements about how you believe they should retire or where they should work insults them all.

The way I look at double dipping it is a road to political control of government functions and not the intent when the colonist got together and hired a person to light the street light.  This has started a long road to the "Born to Rule" political control,  It opens the door to socialism which is on the road of communism.  The intent was a rule by a republic form of government.  Personalities used in discussions of government functions should be eliminated such as the continued suggestion that I hate government employees. I am only addressing a system that deprives the general public of being able to hire and pay for representative employees that have not been preprogrammed.      

[RecycleMichael]

Wow...retirement jobs in government lead to communism.

"Born to Rule"?

"Workers Preprogrammed"?

I think you have a start of a good movie script there. Go back out in the heat and then come back and write more for us.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I believe you just dislike government workers on this one.

A police officer puts in his twenty years, then goes to work for the FBI, a school district or a different community and that is "double-dipping"?

A public works supervisor retires from the city, but is offered a management job with the county...is that double-dipping"?

Any public employee at any level decides to run for public office...and you call them double-dippers"?

Most of my family worked or works in public service for most of their life. They range from soldiers, to policemen, to secretaries, to teachers. Making stupid statements about how you believe they should retire or where they should work insults them all.

The way I look at double dipping it is a road to political control of government functions and not the intent when the colonist got together and hired a person to light the street light.  This has started a long road to the "Born to Rule" political control,  It opens the door to socialism which is on the road of communism.  The intent was a rule by a republic form of government.  Personalities used in discussions of government functions should be eliminated such as the continued suggestion that I hate government employees. I am only addressing a system that deprives the general public of being able to hire and pay for representative employees that have not been preprogrammed.      

Actually, Shadows makes a point worthy of some discussion here.

The institutionalization of a system of government which continually narrows the publics' ability to have input into the process does something unintended, at least by the founders.

[shadows]

The code of the Social Security distribution is founded on the idea that the age is the rule to when the recipient is eligible to retire and draw his pension.  If he seeks the second employment then, after a limit, that income is taxed.  The same rules should apply equally to all government employees.

Or increase the deduction for SS and lower the requirements to having been employed for 80 quarters.  Lets all live in the same world.      

[shadows]

Recycle quoted:
A police officer puts in his twenty years, then goes to work for the FBI, a school district or a different community and that is "double-dipping"?
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Who paid for the police training so he can go  to work for the FBI?  Or did he just walk into their office and say I don't have any training but I need to go to work for you.

I assume it is your believe your family members were born to rule and that their ideas on functions of government could not have been replaced by other representatives elected or hired by the people.   The electing or hiring for life does not fill the criteria of a democratic republic form of government but this path has been used over the centuries which lead to monarch control.

Don't say I am attracting your family.  I am only pointing out a system that will have to be changed before it is out of control.

Was not one of the persons you throw in discussion rejected by the voters in his district?

[Wilbur]

They're at it again.  Another method for city councilors to give themselves a HUGE pay raise is in the works, this time through the charter change process:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2007/10/18/CC20071018_176-209.pdf

I'm all in favor, right after they give the rest of their employees the same 300% pay increase, which will never happen.  In fact, the city is already laying the ground work with 'no money for raises' comments being spread around as negotiations are getting started.

Why to lead by example, city council!

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

They're at it again.  Another method for city councilors to give themselves a HUGE pay raise is in the works, this time through the charter change process:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2007/10/18/CC20071018_176-209.pdf

I'm all in favor, right after they give the rest of their employees the same 300% pay increase, which will never happen.  In fact, the city is already laying the ground work with 'no money for raises' comments being spread around as negotiations are getting started.

Why to lead by example, city council!

I scanned over it and didn't see the pay raise part, I was intrigued by making city elections non-partisan.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

They're at it again.  Another method for city councilors to give themselves a HUGE pay raise is in the works, this time through the charter change process:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2007/10/18/CC20071018_176-209.pdf

I'm all in favor, right after they give the rest of their employees the same 300% pay increase, which will never happen.  In fact, the city is already laying the ground work with 'no money for raises' comments being spread around as negotiations are getting started.

Why to lead by example, city council!

I scanned over it and didn't see the pay raise part, I was intrigued by making city elections non-partisan.

It changes Article 2 Section 2 (towards the end of the document) to read "... the salary to be received by each member of the council and the Chairman shall be equal to one-half the salary of the Mayor."

It establishes all city councilor's pay at 50% of the mayor's pay.  Maybe it should read at 50% of what the mayor accepts!

[shadows]

As it was discussed at the meeting of the charter being amended the councilors would be appointed by districts by the mayor.  Instead it was changed allowing them to set their own salaries, after the first term, under the amendments were in place.  

The non-party affiliation /appointing councilors/ in-house councilors/ at-will-councilors are in the background in another amendment to the charter about to be crammed down the throats of the unsuspecting citizens, is being buttered again for easy passage.

Set the councilor's salaries the same as the mayors and then we can appoint qualified persons in the "at will" column of the 16 mayor appointees.  

"Qualified persons?"  


 

[tulsa_fan]

I see a lot of crap in there I don't really like, salary isn't the only thing in there.