Disturbing news

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

just wait for the report to come out.  you'll see.  using someone's dead grandma's SSN doesn't count as documentation.  Where does the dishwasher work?  I'd like to review his papers.

anyways, just wait for the report....
I'm sure it will show up on OSCN.

I will show you mine if you show me yours. Documentation that is. You need to get it out of your head that just because he is Hispanic does not mean that you get to question his legal status. For all we know you may have swam over from Germany or crossed the northern border. Illegally. So like I said before, where is your documentation?

[sauerkraut]

There is no reason for people to talk about the immigration status. The accident was indeed horrific and sad no question about that... BUT, if he was illegal that is a crime plain & simple. It would also have been a crime to use false I.D and documents to get a job. There is no reason to defend illegal activity. Or so it seems to me. thanx.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein


The only investigation I'm interested in...is how this happened and the safety standards at the plant. I could care less if someone is 'undocumented' or not.

Some really tasteless quotes thrown around here, even lower than usual for inteller. I agree often with inteller's comments but this time it's irrelevant if he was here legally or not.  He's a human, and he has relatives who now have a void in their life.  

It's not up to me to speculate whether or not this man was legal or not, or fluent in English or not.  Most safety placards are bi-lingual now and/or have illustrations anyone can decipher.

IMO, Cintas runs a pretty tight ship when it comes to safety, consistently better than other industrial laundries I've been in.  It's been a few years since I've personally been in that plant, but we have employees who do work in there on a frequent basis.  Working in an industrial laundry would be a hell-hole to me, but Cintas would be less so.

Chances are employees get up on the conveyor from time-to-time and this poor fellow had done it before and been lucky.  This time he was un-lucky.  There aren't any safe short-cuts for safety.  That's why plants must have lock-out tag-out training and have proper tags and placards.  

Safety programs don't end all injuries and they don't alleviate Cintas' insurance company from paying out.  All insurance companies hope for is that safety training and placarding will reduce the number of incidents.  I'm sure there will be a pretty good settlement and we can look forward to a huge rant by inteller at that time.

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

There is no reason for people to talk about the immigration status. The accident was indeed horrific and sad no question about that... BUT, if he was illegal that is a crime plain & simple. It would also have been a crime to use false I.D and documents to get a job. There is no reason to defend illegal activity. Or so it seems to me. thanx.

I don't think anyone is defending illegal activity. But when a white, black, asian, etc person is killed in an industrial accident, do we ask if they were legal or not? Does it matter to the story? Nope. It may matter to the ignorant self-centered people who read the story. But to the rest of us, this story is a tragic accident that claimed a life. I could care less what his citizenship status or what ethnicity he is. He died. By being thrown into a dryer. How much worse can death get then that? I am sure the dryer did not check before accepting him into the dryer.

[Porky]

quote: But when a white, black, asian, etc person is killed in an industrial accident, do we ask if they were legal or not?  

No we don't because they aren't the reason for the flood of illegal immigration we are getting from Mexico. It's already been reported this person was hispanic so there is no need to look for a white, black, asian or etc person that is named Jose'.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote: But when a white, black, asian, etc person is killed in an industrial accident, do we ask if they were legal or not?  

No we don't because they aren't the reason for the flood of illegal immigration we are getting from Mexico. It's already been reported this person was hispanic so there is no need to look for a white, black, asian or etc person that is named Jose'.

And from that you're assuming he's Mexican. Even though he could be from South America or Spain...or god forbid, a natural citizen.

You people are jokes. The man is dead and all you have are nothing but racist stereotypes to go by? I'm embarrassed for you.

[Porky]

quote:
And from that you're assuming he's Mexican. Even though he could be from South America or Spain...or god forbid, a natural citizen.

You people are jokes. The man is dead and all you have are nothing but racist stereotypes to go by? I'm embarrassed for you.

My bad .......please forgive me, Jose' must of been an Asian from Canada, whatever came over me. [}:)]

[inteller]

i think it is VERY relevant of his status.  both for Cintas and the worker.  when it is shown he is undocumented, then it will need to be investigated if Cintas was taking advantage of illegal workers by hiring them for cheap and giving them substandard training around such machinery.  It also needs to be made aware to other illegals the potential risks you take (death) of allowing yourself to work in such conditions.

This incident was reported to ICE, whether they will conduct a WSE investigation remains to be seen.  Considering they are so understaffed I doubt it.  But if Cintas is smart they will come clean and shake out the dirty laundry to OSHA.

Its too bad HB1804 can't get passed faster.  It would have provisions for situations like this.  I know when it does pass illegals better leave town and shady employers better send them on their way because it will be fines and prison for all.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:
And from that you're assuming he's Mexican. Even though he could be from South America or Spain...or god forbid, a natural citizen.

You people are jokes. The man is dead and all you have are nothing but racist stereotypes to go by? I'm embarrassed for you.

My bad .......please forgive me, Jose' must of been an Asian from Canada, whatever came over me. [}:)]

Or from another Spanish speaking nation.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i think it is VERY relevant of his status.  both for Cintas and the worker.  when it is shown he is undocumented, then it will need to be investigated if Cintas was taking advantage of illegal workers by hiring them for cheap and giving them substandard training around such machinery.  It also needs to be made aware to other illegals the potential risks you take (death) of allowing yourself to work in such conditions.

This incident was reported to ICE, whether they will conduct a WSE investigation remains to be seen.  Considering they are so understaffed I doubt it.  But if Cintas is smart they will come clean and shake out the dirty laundry to OSHA.

Its too bad HB1804 can't get passed faster.  It would have provisions for situations like this.  I know when it does pass illegals better leave town and shady employers better send them on their way because it will be fines and prison for all.

Again, you keep assuming he's undocumented, that he doesn't speak English and was being taken advantage of. All are assumptions with no valid proof besides a stereotype of his name.

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i think it is VERY relevant of his status.  both for Cintas and the worker.  when it is shown he is undocumented, then it will need to be investigated if Cintas was taking advantage of illegal workers by hiring them for cheap and giving them substandard training around such machinery.  It also needs to be made aware to other illegals the potential risks you take (death) of allowing yourself to work in such conditions.

This incident was reported to ICE, whether they will conduct a WSE investigation remains to be seen.  Considering they are so understaffed I doubt it.  But if Cintas is smart they will come clean and shake out the dirty laundry to OSHA.

Its too bad HB1804 can't get passed faster.  It would have provisions for situations like this.  I know when it does pass illegals better leave town and shady employers better send them on their way because it will be fines and prison for all.

So let me see if I have this correctly: You are assuming he must be illegal because he has a hispanic sounding name? Or because he works in a laundry? or both?

You are an unbelievable racist, not to mention completely cold hearted and a bit sociopathic as well. You are the reason why intelligent people are hesitant to move to Tulsa. I would feel safer having 'illegals' as my neighbors than the likes of you.

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote: But when a white, black, asian, etc person is killed in an industrial accident, do we ask if they were legal or not?  

No we don't because they aren't the reason for the flood of illegal immigration we are getting from Mexico. It's already been reported this person was hispanic so there is no need to look for a white, black, asian or etc person that is named Jose'.

I would expect nothing less from you. Since you have already proven yourself to be racist. SO sad since you are alone too. lol!

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote: But when a white, black, asian, etc person is killed in an industrial accident, do we ask if they were legal or not?  

No we don't because they aren't the reason for the flood of illegal immigration we are getting from Mexico. It's already been reported this person was hispanic so there is no need to look for a white, black, asian or etc person that is named Jose'.

I would expect nothing less from you. Since you have already proven yourself to be racist. SO sad since you are alone too. lol!

lol........wth is this?

[Double A]

Cintas was warned to install preventative measures to prevent just this type of accident in 2005 according to news reports. Illegal Immigration could play a role in this(if so, it makes this tragedy even more corrupt), but I think Right to Work is what really is to blame for this tragedy. BTW, anybody remember John Pickle Company?

Shame on us for allowing these companies to conduct business in this fashion in our backyards.

[cannon_fodder]

How does Right to Work have anything to do with a man getting killed in a giant drying machine?  Because we are trying to get people off their lazy kiesters they are more likely to die in work accidents, so everyone stay away from work!  I dont get it.


Also, I would be very interested to see a statistic about the rate of illegal Hispanics in Tulsa.  Are 33% of Hispanics in Tulsa illegals?  50%?  10%?  I have no idea.   I couldnt even find the nationwide statistic.

However, I'm willing to bet the majority of Hispanic people with no marketable skills and poor English, who are not  migrant farm workers, is here illegally.   Statistically speaking, its probably true. The dumb quota system we have for immigrants is filled every year by Mexicans with  a marketable skill set or migrant farm workers - so a Hispanic that is outside of that class and speaks little or no English, is probably here illegally.  

Whatever I think, I'd like to know the numbers... not that it matters when someone is killed at work.