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Started by USRufnex, March 20, 2007, 04:37:42 PM

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Double A

At the majority of Democratic events I've attended recently, where straw polls were conducted, Edwards was the clear favorite. Richardson had very little or no support. He may be on the ballot, but he'll be out of the race before the Oklahoma primary.
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Conan71

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Conan71

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Originally posted by Double A

At the majority of Democratic events I've attended recently, where straw polls were conducted, Edwards was the clear favorite. Richardson had very little or no support. He may be on the ballot, but he'll be out of the race before the Oklahoma primary.



Either Edwards is staying in the background hoping Clinton and Obama annihalate each other or the press just doesn't care much for him.  Doesn't help much with the voters who don't put any more thought into their votes than what they read in the first paragraph of a news article or hear in a 30 second sound bite.  For now anyhow, most of the national media has been giving 75% of the spotlight to HC & BO.

I liked Edwards as a person when he ran in '04, my opinion isn't near what it was of him now though.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

deinstein

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Originally posted by Double A

At the majority of Democratic events I've attended recently, where straw polls were conducted, Edwards was the clear favorite. Richardson had very little or no support. He may be on the ballot, but he'll be out of the race before the Oklahoma primary.



My age bracket (20-somethings and college kids) are bar none for Barack Obama, it's not even close. There is a facebook group for him with something like 320,000 members and all the others have like 5,000, etc. if that. Too bad we never show up to vote so what I just said...is pretty insignificant.

Double A

It will be a fraction of these numbers that actually get to the polls. I like Barack Obama, but I can tell the difference between hype and reality. Like I said before, if he continues to visit the state, he could pull off a strong second place finish in the primary.
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USRufnex

All John Edwards would be doing is wasting his money at this point.  It's still early.  He'll get his chance...

Edwards has name recognition and people know more about his positions as the Dems' 2004 VP candidate; Barack Obama doesn't... yet.

The Obama campaign is right in striking when the iron is hot.  And also right to get it together when the sheisters over at Fox News run a blatantly erroneous story about him...

Behind the 'Madrassa Hoax'
What a bogus report on Barack Obama reveals about the media food chain.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16842036/site/newsweek/

http://thehill.com/mark-mellman/hounding-fox-news-coverage-2007-03-20.html
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Instead of providing "fair and balanced" reporting, Fox has created an audience ignorant of the facts, but fully supportive of management's ideology.

An audience that decides for itself, based on "fair and balanced" coverage, ought not to reach monolithic conclusions. Yet, in our 2004 polling with Media Vote, using Nielsen diaries, we found that Fox News viewers supported George Bush over John Kerry by 88 percent to 7 percent. No demographic segment, other than Republicans, was as united in supporting Bush. Conservatives, white evangelical Christians, gun owners, and supporters of the Iraq war all gave Bush fewer votes than did regular Fox News viewers.


Obama got his hat handed to him by house rep. Bobby Rush in a democratic primary on the southside of Chicago... lost that race bigtime... And unfortunately, Obama wasn't really tested in his Illinois senate race because his opposition imploded and he got a free pass when Alan Keyes was drafted by the GOP, running one of the most bizarre, offputting campaigns ever... in the senate debates in Illinois, you could see Obama do a few double takes whenever Keyes would make yet another outrageous statement that then gives Obama an opening you could drive a truck through... 70% of the votes with Keyes at 27%... remarkable.

I watched a Chicago PBS rebroadcast of Obama's keynote to the democratic convention... I remember both me and the friend I watched it with saying... this guy needs to run for president...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

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My parents shared not only an improbable love; they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America, your name is no barrier to success.

They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich to achieve your potential.
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For alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American saga, a belief that we are all connected as one people.

If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child.

If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for their prescription and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandparent.

If there's an Arab-American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

It is that fundamental belief -- it is that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper -- that makes this country work.

It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family: "E pluribus unum," out of many, one.
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Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.

There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope?










Double A

CNN announced that Elizabeth Edwards will hold a press conference tomorrow and she will not be delivering good news. I fear the worst. Please keep the Edwards family in your thoughts.
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Conan71

@ USRufnex: "I watched a Chicago PBS rebroadcast of Obama's keynote to the democratic convention... I remember both me and the friend I watched it with saying... this guy needs to run for president..."

Same thing that happened to Bill Clinton when he spoke at the '88 DNC.  Hardly anyone had heard of the Arkansas Gov. before that, and he became a political rock star afterwards.  Had charm and charisma out the wazoo.

@deinstein: "My age bracket (20-somethings and college kids) are bar none for Barack Obama, it's not even close. There is a facebook group for him with something like 320,000 members and all the others have like 5,000, etc. if that. Too bad we never show up to vote so what I just said...is pretty insignificant"

I was a freshman at OSU in the fall of 1984.  The buzz on campus before the '84 election was all about Ronald Reagan.  I think he had  appeal to a lot of us as he reminded us of the kindly grandfather we all had or wish we had.  Mondale, well he just seemed dull Geraldine Ferraro being on the ticket as his vice president created some interest, but not that much.  Not only that, people still remembered Mondale as being associated with Jimmy Carter and that was another knock on him.

I was nowhere as politically cognizant as I am now, but there was a charisma to him that appealed to a lot of people.
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Breadburner

He's a smoker....No way I would vote for a smoker.....
 

tulsa1603

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He's a smoker....No way I would vote for a smoker.....


Slightly O/T, but speaking of smokers, did you know that Laura Bush is a chainsmoker?  I had no clue until a friend of mine who is very involved in Republican politics told me.  I wish I could find a picture of it, but apparently she is very secretive.  I just love the image.
 

deinstein

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Originally posted by tulsa1603

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Originally posted by Breadburner

He's a smoker....No way I would vote for a smoker.....


Slightly O/T, but speaking of smokers, did you know that Laura Bush is a chainsmoker?  I had no clue until a friend of mine who is very involved in Republican politics told me.  I wish I could find a picture of it, but apparently she is very secretive.  I just love the image.



While you're at it, find a picture of her in her 20's. I bet she was a total babe.

rwarn17588

I think Obama vowed to quit smoking just before the campaign started in earnest.

Whether he did is another matter ...

Conan71

I googled Laura Bush, 20's & young, no early photos but these are really whack:









"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Conan71

Edwards is still in.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070322/ap_on_el_pr/edwards2008_28

Not to sound callous, but sure seems like some well-timed publicity for the campaign.  By  announcing ahead of time there would be a press conference that involved his wife's health, and speculation he would drop out, he was certain to get a lot of attention from it.  Otherwise, had they just sent out a press release saying his wife's cancer had returned, it would have been a smaller blip on the media radar screen.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Double A

That could be true, but I think Edwards comments about his wife's health and the impact it could have on his campaign prior to announcing his candidacy warranted the press conference, especially since they decided to continue the campaign.
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