Heavenly Hospitality, there baaaaack.

[TheArtist]

And they have a new proposal.

200 room hotel with underground parking, restaurant space, and a bit of retail. Any residential component would depend on whether he could get the towerview and another property.

There is no more requirement to move the bus station, just screen it with some bushes and a barrier along third street.

The coney island is being remodeled so that wont be a problem for them.

The trains will get their gates so they wont be making any noise.

The centennial walk won't have to be extended.

They do hope that they and the city can work with the owners of the Wright Building to improve its appearance.

The hitch... 10 million in tax incentives.

The reason... The cost of the 200 room hotel project at 40 million or 200,000 per room would mean the hotel would have to charge 200 a night for the average room. In order to be competitive in the Tulsa market they figure 150 dollars a night is what they need to strive for. So the 10 mill is to help make up the difference.

But whether or not you can agree with this. Here is something I found interesting.

Heavenly Hospitality is asking for the Tulsa Economic Development Authority to reissue a formal request for proposals, for the Denver/second and third street properties.

Apparently Don Himelfarb, of the TDA, said nothing should happen until city officials decide whether to move city hall?

Is he thinking that by having the old city hall space available for hotel development, it would then be more likely someone else would make a better offer for the property HH is interested in than would happen if the city hall poperty wasn't available?

[inteller]

good luck charging 150 a night.  only businessmen and escorts pay those prices.

[DM]

150 a night in downtown? Once the arena and convention center is done, I dont think they will have any problem getting that. How much does the Adams Mark charge?

[sgrizzle]

150 is more than reasonable.

Glad to see they are back, sans attitude.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by DM

150 a night in downtown? Once the arena and convention center is done, I dont think they will have any problem getting that. How much does the Adams Mark charge?

The Adams Mark is now the Crowne Plaza.  AAA Oklahoma's website lists a April weekend stay at the Crowne Plaza to be $116 for two adults.  The DoubleTree Downtown is listed at $139.  Ambassador Hotel: $109.  

Given Crowne Plaza's scheduled renovation efforts, $150 may be competitive in the next few years.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by DM

150 a night in downtown? Once the arena and convention center is done, I dont think they will have any problem getting that. How much does the Adams Mark charge?

The Adams Mark is now the Crowne Plaza.  AAA Oklahoma's website lists a April weekend stay at the Crowne Plaza to be $116 for two adults.  The DoubleTree Downtown is listed at $139.  Ambassador Hotel: $109.  

Given Crowne Plaza's scheduled renovation efforts, $150 may be competitive in the next few years.

i've stayed in better for less.  none of the hotels mentioned could get away with what they charge if they were in other cities.

[TheArtist]

Compare that to what the Mc Birney mansion hotel expansion will be asking at 450 dollars and up a night.  Some of the nicest hotels I have stayed in run 750 to 1100 and up a night. Course thats nothing compared to what the other 2% (which I am soo not a part of lol) can spend per night on a room at 10,000 a night and up. The most expensive room per night that one can buy would probably be at the international space station, currently going at just under 2 million a night, and wow what a view.  So with that perspective... 150 a night, puleeeze. []

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Compare that to what the Mc Birney mansion hotel expansion will be asking at 450 dollars and up a night.  Some of the nicest hotels I have stayed in run 750 to 1100 and up a night. Course thats nothing compared to what the other 2% (which I am soo not a part of lol) can spend per night on a room at 10,000 a night and up. The most expensive room per night that one can buy would probably be at the international space station, currently going at just under 2 million a night, and wow what a view.  So with that perspective... 150 a night, puleeeze. []

you are using boutique lodging as examples while what is in downtown tulsa is hardly what one would call unique, with the possible exception of the ambassador which is the cheapest of the bunch.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by DM

150 a night in downtown? Once the arena and convention center is done, I dont think they will have any problem getting that. How much does the Adams Mark charge?

The Adams Mark is now the Crowne Plaza.  AAA Oklahoma's website lists a April weekend stay at the Crowne Plaza to be $116 for two adults.  The DoubleTree Downtown is listed at $139.  Ambassador Hotel: $109.  

Given Crowne Plaza's scheduled renovation efforts, $150 may be competitive in the next few years.

i've stayed in better for less.  none of the hotels mentioned could get away with what they charge if they were in other cities.

And I've stayed in worse for more. None of the hotels mentioned would charge as little as they do if they were in bigger cities.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by DM

150 a night in downtown? Once the arena and convention center is done, I dont think they will have any problem getting that. How much does the Adams Mark charge?

The Adams Mark is now the Crowne Plaza.  AAA Oklahoma's website lists a April weekend stay at the Crowne Plaza to be $116 for two adults.  The DoubleTree Downtown is listed at $139.  Ambassador Hotel: $109.  

Given Crowne Plaza's scheduled renovation efforts, $150 may be competitive in the next few years.

i've stayed in better for less.  none of the hotels mentioned could get away with what they charge if they were in other cities.

And I've stayed in worse for more. None of the hotels mentioned would charge as little as they do if they were in bigger cities.

well that statement is littered with BS.  these hotels would be relegated to the airport if they were plopped down in denver or houston.  they have no real competition here so they can get away with what they charge.  its like the Hilton in downtown Midland,TX.  That place is barely a step above a La Quinta, but they charge out the wazoo.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

And I've stayed in worse for more. None of the hotels mentioned would charge as little as they do if they were in bigger cities.

well that statement is littered with BS.  these hotels would be relegated to the airport if they were plopped down in denver or houston.  they have no real competition here so they can get away with what they charge.  its like the Hilton in downtown Midland,TX.  That place is barely a step above a La Quinta, but they charge out the wazoo.

Get outside the midwest once in awhile. I've stayed in major crapholes in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, and Miami that were mucho expensive.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that HH came crawling back sans demands, which justifies the city's telling them "thanks but no thanks" a few months ago. Also shows that the L-shaped parcel of land is just fine for building a hotel, which is an assertion several posters on this board made a long time ago.

[pmcalk]

Much depends on the day of the week, not just the caliber of hotel. If its a city with lots of business going on, then they can get away with $200 a night during the week, though perhaps not on the weekend.  Intercontinental in Kansas City (four or five star) charges practically nothing on the weekend, over $200 during the week.  I imagine any hotel next to a convention center during an event could easily pull in 150 to 200 a night in Tulsa.  On weekends, non-events, when the draw is strictly tourists, I think it would be hard to be much over $120.  I am not knocking Tulsa, but we really aren't a tourist town yet--people are not going to spend big bucks to visit us, as they would for New York, DC, etc....

But I cannot imagine a $400 a room hotel being successful in Tulsa, especially given the location.  The entire draw would be from tourists, for whom money is no object.  That's a pretty finite group already.  And it would have to be tourists who travel simply to indulge and spend ungodly amounts of money, not to see the great cities of the world.  Again, not trying to put Tulsa down, but we are not a $400 a night city.  People will spend that kind of money for cities like New York, Paris, etc..., not Tulsa.

[dsjeffries]

Where did all of this information come from???  A website? The news?

I'm glad to see that they're still interested and have come back without the ridiculous demands from earlier, but I'd really like to see what their new plans look like.

[TheArtist]

Sorry meant to put this on there.  

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070407_1_A1_hAnea84687

[Wrinkle]

I'll build as many rooms as you want at $50,000 each (in public money).

Just point, and sign the check.

$10 Million in Tulsa Taxpayer money to fund a for-profit (and a lot of that) in a place where if it can't be done there, can't be done, period, is a lot of hooey.

This bunch needs to pack it back to Owasso.