Free Speech, Ignorance and Racism

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I thought everyone would appreciate this quote:

My goal is to goad people into saying something that ruins their life. - Don Imus

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Charles Barkley sure didn't lose his job....

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quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Charles Barkley sure didn't lose his job....

Is he still alive?

[rwarn17588]

<Conan wrote:

$harpton mentioned as much on Beck the other night. His efforts have been summarily dismissed as a token effort. What has it accomplished? Nothing.

Rap and Hip-Hop have been around now for over 20 years, I think he was a little late jumping on that band-wagon.

How is decrying whites and their stereotypes of black people, while at the same time ignoring what was going on amongst black rappers in the music industry for 20 years not hypocrisy?

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Columnist Stanley Crouch has been decrying rap music's misogyny for years, too, and doesn't have much to show for it, either. By your ever-changing standards, since it gained few results, it was meaningless.

I guess it's a good thing Dr. King didn't quit when he was younger.

First you say Sharpton didn't do anything.

Then you're confronted with an inconvenient truth.

Now you say he did something, but didn't accomplish much.

I like these attacks that keep evolving.

Maybe you ought to stop while you're ahead -- or behind, as it might be.

By the way, rap has been around for about 35 years. It was started in the Bronx in the early 1970s. And Bo Diddley was doing it even back in the 1950s.

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quote:From Drugereport.com
6:12 AM: On Imus' radio program (no longer simulcast on MSNBC) this morning, Chris Carlin, who covers sports for the program, discussed yesterday's dismissal of charges against the Duke lacrosse players.

(rough transcript)

     DON IMUS: When will Al Sharpton be apologizing to them?

     (LAUGHTER)

     CARLIN: I'm unaware of such a press conference.

     IMUS: I'll be darned...

Not that other's being asshats makes your own behavior any better, but he is one to talk.  He was the head witch hunter getting the Duke students kicked out of school and calling them monsters - before charges were even filed.  Where is his apology to them or his OUTRAGE at the black stripper who falsely accused them and possibly ruined their lives?

Al Sharpton is just as racist as most of the people he condemns.  He does not judge on the quality of character but on the color of skin.

Of all people a sports writer really nailed this issue on the head. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton  (the so called black leadership) are irrelevant and have done nothing to improve race relations nor helped black people take advantage of the rights they have won. They wait for a media outlet to get some airtime and then just fade away.  A very good read and a good illustration of my viewpoint.
http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<Conan wrote:

$harpton mentioned as much on Beck the other night. His efforts have been summarily dismissed as a token effort. What has it accomplished? Nothing.

Rap and Hip-Hop have been around now for over 20 years, I think he was a little late jumping on that band-wagon.

How is decrying whites and their stereotypes of black people, while at the same time ignoring what was going on amongst black rappers in the music industry for 20 years not hypocrisy?

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Columnist Stanley Crouch has been decrying rap music's misogyny for years, too, and doesn't have much to show for it, either. By your ever-changing standards, since it gained few results, it was meaningless.

I guess it's a good thing Dr. King didn't quit when he was younger.

First you say Sharpton didn't do anything.

Then you're confronted with an inconvenient truth.

Now you say he did something, but didn't accomplish much.

I like these attacks that keep evolving.

Maybe you ought to stop while you're ahead -- or behind, as it might be.

By the way, rap has been around for about 35 years. It was started in the Bronx in the early 1970s. And Bo Diddley was doing it even back in the 1950s.

I'm not trying to move the goal post.  Sorry for not mentioning that I was well aware of his token effort in 2005.  Also, for not being clearer on my point that he sat idle and did nothing about gangsta rap for 20 years, until there was a scuffle between rival rappers and what he did do has accomplished nothing.  Nor did I mention his very long track record of well-documented double-standards which help taint my opinion on this particular issue.  

Here's what he said at the time:

'"We put the i-n-g in your bling-bling," said $harpton. "All of us have children who listen to your music. Some of us listen ourselves. But we don't want to feel like we're investing in the demise of our community."'

Let's see, we don't like what you are saying, but we listen anyhow.

That 2005 episode vanished like a fart in the wind until earlier this month when another scuffle arose between rival rappers.  He threatened to boycott UMC.  Hmmm, what happened to that big boycott of UMC in 2005?  Al Sharpton has never demanded that rappers be fired from their contracts, and has done nothing that I'm aware of to get the FCC to police gangsta rap since 2005.  Now he's saying that the firing of Imus is just the tip of the iceberg, implying that other white talk show hosts will be heavily monitored, and castigated.  That's where I define him as a hypocrite.

Bo Diddley never advocated drugs, killing cops, glorified violence, nor sang about hos in his music that I'm aware of.

Point is, $harpton has a short attention span for the last issue when the next headline opportunity comes along.  What exactly has he done other than to fire off his mouth and make threats when it's convenient to pick up another headline?  

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<Conan wrote:

$harpton mentioned as much on Beck the other night. His efforts have been summarily dismissed as a token effort. What has it accomplished? Nothing.

Rap and Hip-Hop have been around now for over 20 years, I think he was a little late jumping on that band-wagon.

How is decrying whites and their stereotypes of black people, while at the same time ignoring what was going on amongst black rappers in the music industry for 20 years not hypocrisy?

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Columnist Stanley Crouch has been decrying rap music's misogyny for years, too, and doesn't have much to show for it, either. By your ever-changing standards, since it gained few results, it was meaningless.

I guess it's a good thing Dr. King didn't quit when he was younger.

First you say Sharpton didn't do anything.

Then you're confronted with an inconvenient truth.

Now you say he did something, but didn't accomplish much.

I like these attacks that keep evolving.

Maybe you ought to stop while you're ahead -- or behind, as it might be.

By the way, rap has been around for about 35 years. It was started in the Bronx in the early 1970s. And Bo Diddley was doing it even back in the 1950s.

Are you actually comparing Martin Luther King Jr. with Al Sharpton?

Al Sharpton is a joke.  Anyone remember the Tawana Brawley Controversy?  The only thing that has changed with Al is his taste in clothing. (I personally, liked him better in jump-suits.)

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Oh boy.  The hipocrisy train just keeps a rollin' on.  Obama met today with one of the filthiest rappers on the planet to talk about "the youth."

Real good call there Obama, considering the current discussion over the appropriateness of rap music in view of Imus.

He calls for Imus' firing one day and meets with this smut merchant the next.  Bravo!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2006-11-30_D8LNFUCO2&show_article=1&cat=ent

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quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<Conan wrote:

$harpton mentioned as much on Beck the other night. His efforts have been summarily dismissed as a token effort. What has it accomplished? Nothing.

Rap and Hip-Hop have been around now for over 20 years, I think he was a little late jumping on that band-wagon.

How is decrying whites and their stereotypes of black people, while at the same time ignoring what was going on amongst black rappers in the music industry for 20 years not hypocrisy?

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Columnist Stanley Crouch has been decrying rap music's misogyny for years, too, and doesn't have much to show for it, either. By your ever-changing standards, since it gained few results, it was meaningless.

I guess it's a good thing Dr. King didn't quit when he was younger.

First you say Sharpton didn't do anything.

Then you're confronted with an inconvenient truth.

Now you say he did something, but didn't accomplish much.

I like these attacks that keep evolving.

Maybe you ought to stop while you're ahead -- or behind, as it might be.

By the way, rap has been around for about 35 years. It was started in the Bronx in the early 1970s. And Bo Diddley was doing it even back in the 1950s.

Are you actually comparing Martin Luther King Jr. with Al Sharpton?

Al Sharpton is a joke.  Anyone remember the Tawana Brawley Controversy?  The only thing that has changed with Al is his taste in clothing. (I personally, liked him better in jump-suits.)

An orange one I bet.....heh

[Conan71]

RW-

Before you come to the aid of Rev. $harpton any further or dispute my contentions of hypocrisy, anti-semitism, and hate for anything white, consider the following:

An appearance on H & C in 2005:

"HANNITY: You know what bothers me? You know, I guess there's a lot of ways in life that you can make money, Reverend Al. There's a lot of ways you can make money, but when you do it on human misery this way, it's just like some of the more violent rap lyrics that degrade women, degrade, you know, humanity the way they do. Refer to women the way they do. It's amazing to me that — why do people patronize, you know...

SHARPTON: I think the issue is patronage. I mean, I've said that I'm against rewarding people for violent acts. But people have the right to say what they want or do what they want. We also have the right to boycott it. The First Amendment also means you can..."

Only if you are a black rapper, I guess, not a white man who looks like a werewolf.

Here's more fun stuff from his past as well.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3484

The title of this one would be funnier if it weren't so true:

Al $harpton, The Democrat's David Duke

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2411

Plenty of horrible epithets hurled at Jews, as well as inciting violence in Crown Heights directed at the "diamond merchants" as he calls them.

http://www.hscca.org/articles/alsharpton.html

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quote:Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

Imus is just mirroring society. It's full of hate for each other, and I'm tired of all the hate in America.

It seems to have gotten much, much, worse since Bush was elected.  

I believe most "charismatics" and "evangelicals" thought George Bush's election was an endorsement of the religious right's view.  

I think a lot of the hate originates with Karl Rove and the evangelical wing of the Republican party.

I hope it improves when Bush is gone.

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I love it!  

What isn't W's fault?  

Tornados...W's fault
Rotten cheese in my fridge...W's fault
Soup's too cold....W's fault

You people are hillarious.

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CNN Reporting:

quote:CBS cancels Don Imus' radio show, effective immediately, after uproar over his racist and sexist comments about Rutgers women's basketball team.

[rwarn17588]

Imus would've kept his radio show if he hadn't remained so arrogant after being confronted with his ugly comments. What a dope.

We have free speech, but sometimes there are consequences if you're reckless with that free speech.

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quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

Imus is just mirroring society. It's full of hate for each other, and I'm tired of all the hate in America.

It seems to have gotten much, much, worse since Bush was elected.  

I believe most "charismatics" and "evangelicals" thought George Bush's election was an endorsement of the religious right's view.  

I think a lot of the hate originates with Karl Rove and the evangelical wing of the Republican party.

I hope it improves when Bush is gone.

[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]

I love it!  

What isn't W's fault?  

Tornados...W's fault
Rotten cheese in my fridge...W's fault
Soup's too cold....W's fault

You people are hillarious.

Don't forget Storm Surge....

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

Imus is just mirroring society. It's full of hate for each other, and I'm tired of all the hate in America.

It seems to have gotten much, much, worse since Bush was elected.  

I believe most "charismatics" and "evangelicals" thought George Bush's election was an endorsement of the religious right's view.  

I think a lot of the hate originates with Karl Rove and the evangelical wing of the Republican party.

I hope it improves when Bush is gone.

I'm tired of the hate as well, blaming it on Bush is sophomoric.  I think we all need to quit taking ourselves so friggin' seriously.  Political correctness is slowly eroding our right to a sense of humor.

Imus tried to make a funny and fell flat on his donkey.  What Imus said was in incredibly poor taste on a nationally-syndicated program.  If he and his producer wanted to have that banter on a commercial break, more power to him.  But he didn't and for now he is jobless until he winds up on satellite somewhere.  

Without knowing the man personally, I can't say he's a racist or not.  Some of his friends have spoken up and characterized him as charitable to people of all races.  As I said, I don't know him, that's not my call.

Do you find it ironic though, that Imus' biggest critic is a liberal pentocostal preacher, and former presidential candidate who preaches a gospel of hate and intollerance, nothing like the teachings of Jesus:

'..."The world will tell us he was killed by accident. Yes, it was a social accident. It's an accident to allow an apartheid ambulance service in the middle of Crown Heights. It is an accident to think that we will keep crying and never stand up and call for justice. What type of city do we have that would lie on our children and allow politics to rise above the blood of innocent babies? Have we lost all our moral fiber? Talk about how Oppenheimer in South Africa sends diamonds straight to Tel Aviv and deals with the diamond merchants right here in Crown Heights." '

"Sharpton organized crowds of protestors, screaming about "bloodsucking Jews" and "Jew bastards" and threatening to "burn the building down." Finally, Roland James Smith, Jr., got Sharpton's message. On Friday, December 8, at 10:12 a.m., Smith walked into Freddy's Fashion Mart, pulled out a gun, ordered all the black customers to leave, spilled paint thinner on several bins of clothing and set them on fire, resulting in the deaths of eight people, including himself. Isn't it wonderful, how Al the racist Sharpton, can throw around words like "white interloper" and "bloodsucking Jews" in public, and the "elite" media conveniently misses it again! But I don't miss it. I see Sharpton for the kind of guy he really is: a low life liberal and racist who hates Jews."