Ruin a perfectly good street in Tulsa ????

[AMP]

Okay, the pot holes are understandable, and the repair is slow and very sketchy but it happens.  

Today while driving on Independence between Yale ahd Harvard we hit a jump built on purpose right across the street.  It had zero warning and threw all three people riding in the F-350 up to almost hitting their heads on the roof of the cab.  

Sub Contractors Beeco Construction is in the process of installing these extreme Jumps along that street.   Few years ago additional Stop Signs were installed at intersections, as if that was not enough, now they are building Moto Cross Jumps on the road bed.  

They are tearing up the existing asphalt on either side of the Jump then spraying down sticky tar and gluing on a mound of asphalt.

I believe the use of that labor time energy and effort would be much better used in repairing the HOLES in the roads versus building Jumps that could cause injury to drivers unaware that they have been installed there overnight.

Is this stretch of road a hazad, have there been numerous accidents along there, has there been Bodily Injury accidents or perhaps a fatality?  

Why are these Moto Cross Jumps being installed there?  

Anyone have the answers?

[sgrizzle]

Sounds fun.

[NellieBly]

As a former resident of the neighborhood, all I can say is they are needed. The street is dangerous at best due to the speeders. Stop signs? No one stops at them. I know from personal experience.

If you knocked your head on the top of your truck, you probably weren't a)doing the speed limit which is 25 mph or you b) weren't paying attention.

[tulsa1603]

Several years ago, I remember many neighborhoods requesting speed humps due to the presence of speeders.  But it was my understanding that county laws prohibited it, so it wasn't done... is this not the case anymore?

[cannon_fodder]

Dear god I hope so.  If cities can intentionally make their roads crappy to get people to do the speed limit the shocks on my poor little Nissan should just give up now.  Not to mention my dog with its ever dangerous posture out the window should probably surrender and any sleeping children should start crying now.

/me lived in a subdivision with MASSIVE speed bumps in Iowa and despised it.

[NellieBly]

I am getting ready to start petitioning my councilor in my new neighborhood for them. I at least want a four way stop sign. I am sick of kids in little cars with loud mufflers running the stop sign on my corner, peeling out at 2 a.m. and trenching my yard. I could go on and on. There is a school right down the street and when school is out both parents and kids drive way too fast. I got a little revenge when a car slid into a big sign advising of a sharp right turn. He missed the turn but hit the sign. Last weekend someone skidded off into the ditch. I love it.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Today while driving on Independence between Yale ahd Harvard we hit a jump built on purpose right across the street.  It had zero warning and threw all three people riding in the F-350 up to almost hitting their heads on the roof of the cab.  

Why are these Moto Cross Jumps being installed there?  

Anyone have the answers?

It is my understanding that jumps, or speed bumps can be installed on Tulsa residential streets at the request of the property owners in the area, and if traffic surveys of speeders warrant the installation.  It takes a majority signature of the property owners on the street, and only if city funding allows.

Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington.  It is a daily drag strip in front of my house.  I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.

[Wilbur]

Tulsa's Traffic Engineering has a set of criteria any street must meet before speed humps are installed.  One is the average number of cars must be doing a certain amount above the posted speed limit (I think a majority of cars must be doing at least 13 mph above the posted limit, but I'm not positive).  Another is the people who live along the street must agree to have the humps.  I believe there is a third, but I don't remember what it is.

The humps are built to allow cars to travel at the posted speed limit as they pass over the humps.  If your occupants are thrown around in the car, I have a few suggestions:

SLOW DOWN!  You are part of the problem.
WEAR SEATBELTS!  They really do work when you wear them.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

The humps are built to allow cars to travel at the posted speed limit as they pass over the humps.  If your occupants are thrown around in the car, I have a few suggestions:

SLOW DOWN!  You are part of the problem.
WEAR SEATBELTS!  They really do work when you wear them.

Well said, Wilbur!  Slow the heck down and observe the speed limits!

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Steve


Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington.  It is a daily drag strip in front of my house.  I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.

Be careful what you ask for.  I know many a neighborhood who have had second thoughts after having the humps installed.  Mostly, because other pissed off neighbors (who didn't want the humps put in) start driving through people's lawns to avoid the humps.  I know one neighborhood where a disgruntled driver drove through someone's yard, then through their fence, all the while honking his horn and flipping the bird to the homeowner.

From the police stand point, it concerns me having the humps spread around town where you don't know where they are.  Specifically, I'm concerned some pursuit will go down that street.  Police may know the humps are there but not the fleeing driver.  The fleeing driver hits those humps at high speed, losing control and ends up in someone's house.  They also slow down first responders, such as fire and ambulance.

[AMP]

We were traveling at 25mph and had our seat belts fastened.  Guess you have never ridden in a large Truck such as an F-350 with towing suspension unloaded from weight.

The launch it caused to the truck was at the least very dangerous and if a young driver had been behind the wheel, it may of been ugly.

There were no warning signs, and the Jump appears out of no where around a curve.  I was following two other vehicles ahead of us,  They hit the same jump with similar results I assume.

A small compact car would be in trouble attempting to negotiate these jumps.  

I am glad I was not riding my motorcycle today and came upon that obstacle un-warned.

They just were starting to install them today, many people take that route to and from other service businesses quite often, but I trust most the traffic will be re-routed to Admiral and Pine in the near future.  

If the neighbors wanted to reduce speeds and the number of vehicles on that street, they should of closed off both ends of the street like they did near 5th and Lewis.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Steve


Lordy, I wish they would install these bumps on my street, 26th Street/Terrace between Yale & Darlington.  It is a daily drag strip in front of my house.  I would welcome these speed bumps in my neighborhood any day, any time.

Be careful what you ask for.  I know many a neighborhood who have had second thoughts after having the humps installed.  Mostly, because other pissed off neighbors (who didn't want the humps put in) start driving through people's lawns to avoid the humps.  I know one neighborhood where a disgruntled driver drove through someone's yard, then through their fence, all the while honking his horn and flipping the bird to the homeowner.

Be that as it may, that is a chance I would be willing to take.  I am sick of the ersatz race car drivers speeding down my street, and I know I have many neighbors that feel the same way.
The real sad part is that most of the speeding offenders are residents of the neighborhood, not just casual passers-by.

[NCTulsan]

You say the humps are not marked?  That could be a lawsuit waiting to happen.  Here in Charlotte, they mark the actual humps with these giant arrows (not as imposing as it sounds), and they have signs preceeding the hump by a few yards saying "speed hump ahead" (or something like that).  People will get used to them ..... as long as they are marked.

[NellieBly]

They do install signs, I guess they just haven't installed them yet. Maybe that should be the first step before they start work. I still think if you were paying attention AMP you would have seen the work being done on the street and slowed appropriately.

[cannon_fodder]

So can we look forward to humps on every street in town - because people pretty well speed everywhere.  I live near EIS and everyone speeds by my house, but if a speed bump was put in on my regular route out of my neighborhood I'd sledge hammer it out some night.

Speed bumps punish EVERYONE because some people break the law.  It not only is annoying and a discomfort - it slows down ambulance response and the care they are able to give, wears cars and tires heavily, and has the potential to severly bottleneck traffic as every idiot in an SUV seems to slow down to 5 MPH to go over them.

Booooo and Hisssssss to speed bumps, humps, or jumps.