TTTV

[stp4]

So all of you who think 9/11 wasn't an inside job, do you really believe we have been given the truth?  

8 problems w/ the 9/11 "official story"

1. Molten Metal

There are reports from hundreds of firefighters and other first responders of "streams of molten metal" flowing in the basements of all three towers (see below for a partial list of quotes and their sources). Whether or not you realize it, given the laws of thermodynamics this is an absolute IMPOSSIBILITY. Jet Fuel — which is nothing more than refined kerosene, or lamp oil — does not possess the thermodynamic potential to melt construction-grade steel (or any steel for that matter). Neither would the frictional heat induced by a "pancake collapse" have sufficient energy to do so (the latter reasoning is as laughable as the former).

On the other hand, molten iron is a known and readily demonstrable byproduct of one of the most effective and expedient steel-cutting explosives known: Thermate. Further, there is ample evidence in retrieved steel samples of chemical residues consistent with Thermate reactions. Absent explosives, there is absolutely no other explanation for the presence of molten metal in the basements. Period. [A mind in denial, of course, being reluctant to confront or explain this reality, immediately takes the evasive path as it frantically seeks solace elsewhere: "Yeah but...Usama said he did it." My response: Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


2. WTC Building 7

This 47-storey steel-framed structure was not struck by an aircraft. Yet, it collapsed into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds in a perfect freefall. Even the official "experts", NIST and FEMA, are at a loss for an explanation. This is why the vaunted "911 Commission Report" admits, "the reason for the collapse of this structure remains unknown." Just think: No steel-framed structure in the history of this planet has EVER collapsed due to fire. Not once. Ever. Towers in Madrid, Buenos Aires and elsewhere burned for OVER 24 HOURS, yet their steel skeletons remained intact. But in NYC on 9/11, not one, not two, but THREE steel-framed structures collapsed on the same day. Not only did they collapse, all three collapsed neatly into their own footprints without disturbing surrounding buildings. And they didn't simply "collapse" -- they fell at freefall speeds, like bricks falling through air. Yes, all three of them. And there's more: all three left huge pools of molten metal in their basements. And all this after smoldering for a paltry 54 minutes. These were oxygen-starved, sooty fires that firefighters radioed could be extinguished "with two lines".

[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...why would our own government do something like this."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


3. Freefall speeds

It is IMPOSSIBLE (there is no other word) for the roofs of the towers to have struck the ground in exactly the same time as an object dropped from the same height. Why? The roof would have to crush, tear and plow through 110 levels of steel columns, walls, floor slabs, office equipment, etc. before it could reach the ground. The object would simply drop through AIR. (This phenomenon is bound by the Law of Conservation of Momentum. As far as the world knows, that law was in effect on 9/11.)

How could the roof and the object both hit the ground in exactly the same time? The ONLY way the roof could have hit the ground in 9.4 seconds (South Tower) would have been if nothing existed beneath it but air. And that's exactly what explosives do: blow everything out of the way so that there is nothing to resist the fall. Consider: If every floor just resisted the fall of the one above it for just ONE SECOND, the total collapse time would have been 110 seconds. Even half a second of resistance would yield a drop time of 55 seconds. In reality it took less than 10. Which means NOTHING resisted it. I.e., The entire mass was in freefall. How? There was nothing to resist it because everything beneath it was blown out of its path.

Forget the math. Just watch the videos (available online) — and time the collapses with a stopwatch. The explosives were triggered in a precise vertical sequence so that the floors and supports below were being destroyed just as the mass above them was falling. Indeed, actual explosive squibs can be seen emanating from floors well below the collapse line. Besides being captured on film, numerous firemen saw, heard, felt and reported these explosions. Their testimonies are preserved on audio and video records. You see, the only instrument you need to prove this to yourself is a simple stopwatch. Newton's Laws certainly weren't suspended on 9/11.

[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...who could have planted the explosives?"
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


4. Central core columns

47 massive box-section steel columns, 1350-ft tall, constituted the central cores of the Twin Towers. These columns were heavily cross-braced into a virtually indestructible, unified, lattice-type integral steel core that rose all the way to the very top. This was the tower's primary load-bearing structure. It was DESIGNED to withstand not one, but multiple strikes from the biggest commercial jetliner of the time, the Boeing707. They were designed to withstand multiple strikes at any point along their elevation.

The kinetic energy imparted to the towers by the Boeing 767s was actually LESS than what would have been transmitted by 707s. [The 707, while slightly lighter than a 767, flew at 600 MPH versus the 767's 500 MPH.] Both towers should have easily absorbed the two impacts, because they were designed to do so.

But how about the "jet fuel?", one might ask. Fuel was obviously a part of the design consideration. (Besides, see "Molten Metal" above). Further, while "ten thousand gallons" might appear to be a huge amount, it's the volumetric equivalent of a 11x11x11-ft room — about the size of just one of the hundreds of little offices peppered throughout these towers. This would have constituted a mere pinprick vis-à-vis their million-cu-ft overall volumes. Additionally, most of the fuel in one of the aircraft was consumed in a massive fireball OUTSIDE the tower.

Now the main question: If the 110 floors of each tower cascaded down in a "pancake collapse", what happened to the central cores? They should have been left jutting 1350 feet into the sky. What happened to them? Indeed, what happened to the two stacks of 110 pancakes? They should have been stacked on the ground, as would records on the platter of an old record player as they slid down the spindle. The floor slabs broke into pieces, they say? Well then, how about the 110 corrugated steel pans onto which the concrete was poured? We should at least have a stack of 110 steel pans stacked on the ground? But I digress. Let's get back to the central question: What happened to the steel cores? There was nothing left on the ground but a hole. No slabs. No pans. No steel cores. Just a big hole full of debris. And lots of molten metal bubbling beneath the surface.

[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...how could they have gained access to the building?".
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


5. Pulverization of concrete

In fact the concrete did not "break-up" or "shatter into pieces". All 400,000 cu.ft of the stuff (per tower) was pulverized into a 50-micron pyroclastic cloud of DUST. Question: What was the source of energy that caused this? Gravity? Laughably inadequate. Potential energy of the structures themselves? There was insufficient potential energy in the towers to have caused this kind of utter and complete pulverization to the level of fine powder. So, what was the source of energy?

[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...it's unpatriotic to question our president."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


6. Velocity of ejecta

During the collapses of the Twin Towers, massive, multi-ton steel sections were ejected HORIZONTALLY hundreds of feet away and were found impaled into the sides of distant buildings. The largest section -- weighing as much as a Boeing 737 -- penetrated a side of the Deutche Bank tower some 400 feet away! A steam catapult on an aircraft carrier couldn't have pulled that one off, but on 9/11 we're told gravity managed to do it. And yes, horizontally. Then we have the shredded human body parts -- tiny pieces of flesh, along with some bone fragments less than 1/16th-of-an-inch in size — that were found on distant rooftops hundreds of feet away. Gravity again? Question: What was the source of energy that caused this? A "pancake" collapse?

[The mind in denial: "Yeah, but...this whole thing couldn't possibly have been kept secret!"
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


7. Flight 93

This now famous ("Let's roll") aircraft is said to have dived straight down into a field in Pennsylvania. Problem with the OCT: the "crater" in the ground is a shallow scratch roughly 20 ft long. Zero wreckage. Zero seats. Zero luggage. Zero body parts. Lots of witnesses at the scene, including major network crews, attested to this fact. There are news anchors at the scene broadcasting, "There is nothing here"... "It doesn't look like a crash scene at all...". Question: What happened to the airplane?

One of its engines was found MORE THAN A MILE AWAY from this strange "crash site". How did the engine get there? Did it bounce upon impact?

The debris field was strewn over SIX SQUARE MILES. The ground was covered with debris that scores of witnesses said "rained down like confetti" following a "loud bang" high up in the sky. Question: What was the bang? What was the "confetti"?

[The mind in denial: "Yeah, but...I don't believe these ridiculous conspiracy theories."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]


8. Pentagon Strike

A Boeing 757, which has a wingspan of 125ft is said to have crashed into the ground floor of the Pentagon. Problem: The entry hole is about 16 ft across. How is this possible? Did the wings and empennage obligingly fold into the fuselage at the very last second so this massive structure could shrink down so it could squeeze through the small hole?

The two 6,000-lb engines located 40ft apart spanwise not only never made a mark on the Pentagon structure (even the glass windowpanes were intact), they left not a trace of their existence. How is this possible? Again, there was no wreckage, no seats, no luggage, no bodies. What happened to them?

The OCT says  the ensuing fire was so hot it caused everything — Titanium and aluminum components included — to vaporize. But these very same raging flames that "vaporized" Titanium engine cores, mercifully spared the delicate flesh of the passengers so they could all later be individually identified. How could this be possible?

[The mind in denial: "Get out of my sight, you unpatriotic, traitorous scum! Someone call Homeland Security! Call O'Reilly!"
Sorry, please return to physics. What you've been told is impossible.]

[iplaw]

[}:)][}:)][}:)]

Oh HAPPY DAY!  You'd better ask your buddy Altruismsuffers what happens when you bring this nonsense into this house.

Are you interested in debating these points or was this just a thread crap?  I'm not going to bother if you're gone.

And before you say yes, please know that I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, so your claims about "physics" are going to get spanked into oblivion.  I hope you have a scientific background because I'll call you on it immediately, just like I did your brother Altruism.

[stp4]

I'm so glad as to have made your day Mr. Pennypacker!

I'm also excited to find someone w/ a background in mechanical engineering who can help me to understand the physical anomalies pertaining to 9/11....it would really help my stress level to know that I'm dead wrong and just need to loosen my tin foil cap a little to let my brain breathe.

Debunk away!

[iplaw]

Start with WTC 7.

First, let me give some ground rules.

Give me your best three (3) reasons WTC 7 fell by CD.  Feel free to provide facts and evidence to substantiate your claims. Pictures, and excerpts from reportage, but no videos.  Videos are a waste of time, and Altruismsuffers has posted them all.  I know some people cannot view videos during the day, so they are inconvenient.

No linking to 9/11 conspiracy websites, period.  Please use original source material and provide links so that everyone can see your "evidence."

Back up everything you say, no exceptions.

With that said.  Proceed.

[altruismsuffers]

all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff.  Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics.  Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level.  But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.

[Ibanez]

Oh good grief...these 9/11 conspiracy nuts are a laugh riot.

For starters they don't understand basic engineering and it just gets worse from there.

As for the Pentagon. I have a cousin in the USMC who was there when the plane hit the building. In fact he and another Marine were in a parking lot and SAW it hit the building.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff.  Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics.  Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level.  But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.

What kind of hair gel are you using.....

[guido911]

wavoka: Please do not infuse FACTS and PROOF into this discussion. Admit it, EYEWITNESSES such as your brave cousin and the other marine are either mistaken or flat lying. No, wait, perhaps they are part of the conspiracy. Better yet, I bet they were standing right next to another soldier who was guiding the cruise missile by remote control that flew into the Pentagon and they made up the story to help their comrade. That's it.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff.  Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics.  

Boy, you're a ballsy little SOB aren't you?  Lecturing me on physics when you've never even cracked a book.  Frankly it shocked me that you actually spelled the word correctly.

quote:
Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level.  But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.

If you're so cock-sure why don't you take care of me yourself?  But alas, I fear your friend has gone...one more Troofer down.

[iplaw]

Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another.  He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.

You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake.  You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another.  He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.

You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake.  You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.

I'm telling you, it's the Hair-Gel......

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another.  He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.

You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake.  You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.

Me thinks Alt and her sister stp are one in the same.[:O] My other theory is that they are both Fatpig (one word is correct here, when used as a synonym for Rosie)

[Conan71]

Die little thread...just die...

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Die little thread...just die...

Hell no....The entertainment factor is to high.....heh....