French Election System

[Conan71]

What is that?  The smoker at Stone Mill?

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

A cute quote from the French campaign:

"I am not for a Europe that aligns with the U.S.," Ms. Royal said on France 2 television.

Without the U.S. there wouldn't be a France today.  Bet she'll have a different tune the next time France gets into hot water.

Without France, there might not be an United States of America today.

[cannon_fodder]

Shadows:

You are correct.  Jefferson was a slave owner and a philanderer.  The DNA proves that he slept with African's who were likely his slaves.  I dont think I ever argued against that.

However, that has nothing to do with his support of Napoleon.  Nor does it have anything to do with the election results of 2000, racial sensitivity by the courts, the treatment of the mayors daughter, nor the topic of this thread: election systems.

I have to ask, what made you bring that up?  What train of thought led you to post about Thomas Jefferson's sexual relations with his slaves in a thread about election systems?

also, if there is some alternate history that my education has neglected to inform me of, please let me know. If Jefferson hated Napoleon in public and secretly loved him and supported him, tell me how he did so and how you know this.  The constant avoidance of issues and change of topics coupled with a complete lack of evidence makes me think you just spout off random quips and make up tidbits.

And to answer your question, regardless of your refusal to answer any of mine; no, my face does not get red as I am not terribly upset by any of this.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Won't be long with the unrest in the muslim community.  How do you like your Le Car done?  I prefer mine medium well.

I prefer mine blackened....Renault.....What p.o.s.....

[Conan71]

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok


Without France, there might not be an United States of America today.

Oh yeah, They gave us cheese

[cannon_fodder]

In all honesty, si_uk_lon_ok does have a very good point.  Liberty, Equality, Fraternity were the product of French philosophers long before the French Revolution brought them to the forefront.  Many of the founders read and greatly admired many French thinkers and cited their work frequently.

It also should not be lost that the French entered the American War of Independence and helped end the conflict.  Granted, they waited on the sidelines until we proved the possibility of victory and they had their own imperial and political reasons for the war, but nonetheless they helped us (and furthermore, the same could be said about the US in WWI and WWII to some extent).  An imperial fleet was not something the US could deal with or muster.

French society is certainly open to much criticism and I strongly disagree with many of their political mainstays.  However, there are things to be admired about their lifestyle, attitudes, and history.  That's not to say they arent open to a good bit of jarring on being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

See the following Google:
French Military Victories
(and dont forget to click on the sub link on the page, damn funny)

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

In all honesty, si_uk_lon_ok does have a very good point.  Liberty, Equality, Fraternity were the product of French philosophers long before the French Revolution brought them to the forefront.  Many of the founders read and greatly admired many French thinkers and cited their work frequently.

It also should not be lost that the French entered the American War of Independence and helped end the conflict.  Granted, they waited on the sidelines until we proved the possibility of victory and they had their own imperial and political reasons for the war, but nonetheless they helped us (and furthermore, the same could be said about the US in WWI and WWII to some extent).  An imperial fleet was not something the US could deal with or muster.

French society is certainly open to much criticism and I strongly disagree with many of their political mainstays.  However, there are things to be admired about their lifestyle, attitudes, and history.  That's not to say they arent open to a good bit of jarring on being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

See the following Google:
French Military Victories
(and dont forget to click on the sub link on the page, damn funny)

Agreed, But not to say that the Colonies would not have been sucessful without them. Our liberation of France in 2 wars certainly was payback enough for that. Since that time they (France) has turned their back on their great friend the US. Now for some unknown reason they seem to hate us. Some ally. The United States continues to support these countries in spite of that hatered. I say to hell with the cheese eating A** wipes.

[Conan71]

"That's not to say they arent open to a good bit of jarring on being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

See the following Google:
French Military Victories"

I love a good parody.

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

"That's not to say they arent open to a good bit of jarring on being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

See the following Google:
French Military Victories"

I love a good parody.

french military victories
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[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by RLitterell

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

In all honesty, si_uk_lon_ok does have a very good point.  Liberty, Equality, Fraternity were the product of French philosophers long before the French Revolution brought them to the forefront.  Many of the founders read and greatly admired many French thinkers and cited their work frequently.

It also should not be lost that the French entered the American War of Independence and helped end the conflict.  Granted, they waited on the sidelines until we proved the possibility of victory and they had their own imperial and political reasons for the war, but nonetheless they helped us (and furthermore, the same could be said about the US in WWI and WWII to some extent).  An imperial fleet was not something the US could deal with or muster.

French society is certainly open to much criticism and I strongly disagree with many of their political mainstays.  However, there are things to be admired about their lifestyle, attitudes, and history.  That's not to say they arent open to a good bit of jarring on being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

See the following Google:
French Military Victories
(and dont forget to click on the sub link on the page, damn funny)

Agreed, But not to say that the Colonies would not have been sucessful without them.

I think the chance of the colonies being successful would have been considerably lower without the French intervention. Casualties would have been higher and failure a very real possibility

quote:I think the chance of the colonies being successful would have been considerably lower without the French intervention.
Our liberation of France in 2 wars certainly was payback enough for that.

Liberating France was not 'payback'. Defeating Nazism was doing the right thing, to do nothing would have been morally reprehensible. Stop acting like doing the right thing is something that deserves the international relations equivalent of a cookie.

quote:Since that time they (France) has turned their back on their great friend the US. Now for some unknown reason they seem to hate us. Some ally. The United States continues to support these countries in spite of that hatered. I say to hell with the cheese eating A** wipes.

I take it you never saw the Le Monde front page on September the 12th 2001? France has not turned its back on the USA, the USA has turned its back on France. I'm not arguing that France and the USA don't have differences, but that is France's right as an independent country. France wasn't the country that renamed its fries, boycotted goods and I'm not seeing French election candidates criticized for looking too American. The USA hates France, France may dislike the USA on occasion but that is due to people in America insulting it and it is in no way in the proportion that the USA hates France. Look at what you guys are writing about France. Have you ever been or met a French person?

[RLitterell]

yes, I know and work with a good many French people. Everyone of them ar arrogant and rude. They do hate the US. If not for the United States they would all be speaking German today.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by RLitterell


If not for the United States they would all be speaking German today.

Have an international relations cookie.

Well thanks for not being arrogant and taking all the glory of WW2. I forgot it was only the USA, there is me reading books when I should have been watching saving private ryan.

By the way if it wasn't for the French, the United States would still be speaking English.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

Liberating France was not 'payback'. Defeating Nazism was doing the right thing, to do nothing would have been morally reprehensible. Stop acting like doing the right thing is something that deserves the international relations equivalent of a cookie.

Not personally skewering your opinions, just borrowing your quote, si to create a rhetorical question.

If defeating Nazism, then communism was important, isn't defeating fundamentalist Islamic terrorism at its roots?

[iplaw]

quote:The USA hates France

Everyone hates the French.  Trust me, that's from years of travel experience in Europe.