Tulsa Scottish Rite Building For Sale.....

[sportyart]

As much as I hate to say it, the Tulsa Scottish Rite Building is up for sale. Yet an additional landmark of Tulsa is for sale to the highest bidder. I fear that it will be turned into another fanatic church or worse, bulldozed for another strip mall.











2.9 million, anyone have any ideas?

[RecycleMichael]

I think it will make great offices for TulsaNow.

[cannon_fodder]

Why is it for sale?

[pmcalk]

Looks like another great place for a energy/science museum.  I still prefer the diamond building, though.

[sgrizzle]

I heard that building was supposed to be one of the nicest Masonic buildings in the nation. I wonder if they're building a new one.

I didn't see where the altar to satan was in those floorplans...

[sportyart]

Oh ha ha ha sgrizzle. I was thinking the same thing on a museum or energy center as it would make a great multi-use space. Lots of rooms, and areas for galleries. And a great big face for those passing from the north to the south heading for OKC to see whatever museum/event center it is and that Tulsa is not a joke.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sportyart

Oh ha ha ha sgrizzle. I was thinking the same thing on a museum or energy center as it would make a great multi-use space. Lots of rooms, and areas for galleries. And a great big face for those passing from the north to the south heading for OKC to see whatever museum/event center it is and that Tulsa is not a joke.

I see they do have the requisite Mech storage room.  I may buy this building as I am running out of space for my Mechs.  I see they are kind of lacking for conventional weapons storage though, might be able to convert the dressing room into the armory.  Is the two headed bird laser on the front of the building still functional?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sportyart

Oh ha ha ha sgrizzle. I was thinking the same thing on a museum or energy center as it would make a great multi-use space. Lots of rooms, and areas for galleries. And a great big face for those passing from the north to the south heading for OKC to see whatever museum/event center it is and that Tulsa is not a joke.

I see they do have the requisite Mech storage room.  I may buy this building as I am running out of space for my Mechs.  I see they are kind of lacking for conventional weapons storage though, might be able to convert the dressing room into the armory.  Is the two headed bird laser on the front of the building still functional?

See I didn't even notice the mech storage. The roof in my garage makes using my house tough.

Keep in mind this building also now has a stoplight on sheridan servicing it. That building front would make a great pkace to advertise any business, although getting it approved might be an issue.

[South_Tulsan]

Membership to Masonic organizations is in decline.

This comes from a reference on masons from the Elemental Encyclopedia of Secret Societies (Barnes & Noble) written by 32nd degree mason John Michael Greer.

Perhaps this is why the building is for sale?

[sgrizzle]

What comes from a reference...?

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

Membership to Masonic organizations is in decline.

This comes from a reference on masons from the Elemental Encyclopedia of Secret Societies (Barnes & Noble) written by 32nd degree mason John Michael Greer.

Perhaps this is why the building is for sale?

Masonic membership is on the decline, chiefly through attrition. The Scottish Rite is an appendent body to the "Blue" or Masonic Lodge. The highest degree in Masonary is Master Mason or the 3rd degree. One must be a Master Mason in order to join the Scottish Rite but that is the extent of the relationship between the two. They do not share funds, except through private donation and the sale of this building in no way effects the members of the Blue Lodge.
The declining membership could be the reason for the sale as most members of the Scottish Rite are older in years as are members of the Blue Lodge although not to the same degree. Since Blue Lodge membership is required the fact that Blue lodge membership is declining could be the reason new membership in the Scottish Rite is declining.
For the purpose of clarity, The Masonic Lodge is not a secret society as was mentioned above. Lodges are held in public buildings with their name and "logo", the Square and Compass, are always on pubic display. Most anything you want to know about the lodge is available in print as well as by asking a member. It is however, a fraternity. As in most fraternity some things are kept secret, if you will. This is not uncommon at all. There is nothing about the order that prevents a man from practicing his religion or politics as he sees fit. The only requirement for membership in the Blue Lodge is a belief in God, regardless of the religion. Religion of any kind is never practiced in lodge.
I doubt that The Scottish Rite in Tulsa is going away. I am a member and would have heard the news if it were, even though I live in Memphis now. I do not attend regularly anymore because of that reason. In the past the up keep of the building and it being necessary for it to comply with certian building codes has made the cost of doing so very high. This is money best spent on the Rites chief charity of helping children with learning disabilities. Perhaps they will move to a newer location in Tulsa.
Just thought I would clarify a few things.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by RLitterell

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

Membership to Masonic organizations is in decline.

This comes from a reference on masons from the Elemental Encyclopedia of Secret Societies (Barnes & Noble) written by 32nd degree mason John Michael Greer.

Perhaps this is why the building is for sale?

Masonic membership is on the decline, chiefly through attrition. The Scottish Rite is an appendent body to the "Blue" or Masonic Lodge. The highest degree in Masonary is Master Mason or the 3rd degree. One must be a Master Mason in order to join the Scottish Rite but that is the extent of the relationship between the two. They do not share funds, except through private donation and the sale of this building in no way effects the members of the Blue Lodge.
The declining membership could be the reason for the sale as most members of the Scottish Rite are older in years as are members of the Blue Lodge although not to the same degree. Since Blue Lodge membership is required the fact that Blue lodge membership is declining could be the reason new membership in the Scottish Rite is declining.
For the purpose of clarity, The Masonic Lodge is not a secret society as was mentioned above. Lodges are held in public buildings with their name and "logo", the Square and Compass, are always on pubic display. Most anything you want to know about the lodge is available in print as well as by asking a member. It is however, a fraternity. As in most fraternity some things are kept secret, if you will. This is not uncommon at all. There is nothing about the order that prevents a man from practicing his religion or politics as he sees fit. The only requirement for membership in the Blue Lodge is a belief in God, regardless of the religion. Religion of any kind is never practiced in lodge.
I doubt that The Scottish Rite in Tulsa is going away. I am a member and would have heard the news if it were, even though I live in Memphis now. I do not attend regularly anymore because of that reason. In the past the up keep of the building and it being necessary for it to comply with certian building codes has made the cost of doing so very high. This is money best spent on the Rites chief charity of helping children with learning disabilities. Perhaps they will move to a newer location in Tulsa.
Just thought I would clarify a few things.

i hear they are going to buy OTC because it has enough fiber to communicate to the rest of the mechs around the country.

[Tulsa Twister]

A belief in God in NOT a requirement. You take your ceremonial oaths and pledge under the name of your choice of higher authority, whether to God/Allah/YHWH/Jehovah, Lucifer, Buddha, or a power yielding stone if you so choose. So, more like belief in a god, would be more appropriate. Freemasonry claims it DOES respect the religious beliefs of members but in no way promotes theology or one particular deity above another.

Third Degree (Master Mason) is NOT the highest degree in FreeMasonry. While it is the pinnacle degree attainable in the Symbolic order of Degrees, it is nowhere near the highest. The beginnings of this Order recorded two/three degrees but as it evolved from its infant stages through history it expanded to now hold thirty two degrees and the rarely bestowed honor of selection to the thirty-third.  

The structure is as follows:

Symbolic Degrees
1 Entered Apprentice
2 Fellow Craft
3 Master Mason
Ineffible Degrees
4 Secret Master
5 Perfect Master
6 Intimate Secretary
7 Provost and Judge
8 Intendant of the Building
9 Master Elect of Nine
10 Elect of Fifteen
11 Sublime Master Elected
12 Grand Master Architect
13 Master of the Ninth Arch
14 Grand Elect Mason

Historical Degrees
15 Knight of the East, or Sword
16 Prince of Jerusalem

Philosophical Degrees
17 Knight of the East and West
18 Knight of the Rose Croix of H.R.D.M.

Traditional and Chivalric Degrees
19 Grand Pontiff
20 Master ad Vitam
21 Patriarch Noachite
22 Prince of Libanus
23 Chief of the Tabernacle
24 Prince of The Tabernacle
25 Knight of the Brazen Serpent
26 Prince of Mercy
27 Commander of the Temple
28 Knight of the Sun
29 Knight of St. Andrew
30 Grand Elect Knight Kadosh
31 Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander
32 Sublime Prince of The Royal Secret

The highest attainable degree in this society would be the 33rd:

33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by Tulsa Twister

A belief in God in NOT a requirement. You take your ceremonial oaths and pledge under the name of your choice of higher authority, whether to God/Allah/YHWH/Jehovah, Lucifer, Buddha, or a power yielding stone if you so choose. So, more like belief in a god, would be more appropriate. Freemasonry claims it DOES respect the religious beliefs of members but in no way promotes theology or one particular deity above another.

Third Degree (Master Mason) is NOT the highest degree in FreeMasonry. While it is the pinnacle degree attainable in the Symbolic order of Degrees, it is nowhere near the highest. The beginnings of this Order recorded two/three degrees but as it evolved from its infant stages through history it expanded to now hold thirty two degrees and the rarely bestowed honor of selection to the thirty-third.  

The structure is as follows:

Symbolic Degrees
1 Entered Apprentice
2 Fellow Craft
3 Master Mason
Ineffible Degrees
4 Secret Master
5 Perfect Master
6 Intimate Secretary
7 Provost and Judge
8 Intendant of the Building
9 Master Elect of Nine
10 Elect of Fifteen
11 Sublime Master Elected
12 Grand Master Architect
13 Master of the Ninth Arch
14 Grand Elect Mason

Historical Degrees
15 Knight of the East, or Sword
16 Prince of Jerusalem

Philosophical Degrees
17 Knight of the East and West
18 Knight of the Rose Croix of H.R.D.M.

Traditional and Chivalric Degrees
19 Grand Pontiff
20 Master ad Vitam
21 Patriarch Noachite
22 Prince of Libanus
23 Chief of the Tabernacle
24 Prince of The Tabernacle
25 Knight of the Brazen Serpent
26 Prince of Mercy
27 Commander of the Temple
28 Knight of the Sun
29 Knight of St. Andrew
30 Grand Elect Knight Kadosh
31 Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander
32 Sublime Prince of The Royal Secret

The highest attainable degree in this society would be the 33rd:

33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General

I will not debate the issue with you, It would have been more correct for me to say that a belief in a supreme being. There are actually 4 basic requirements for membership. I would encourage you to ask for a Petition for Degrees and read the requirements for membership.

[sgrizzle]

I like #6