Is Tulsa's Next Police Chief....

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

The rumor going around is it will be:

http://www.northmiamipolice.com/administration/police_chief/

The candidate you refer to sure has an impressive resume. I think she would be great.

But aren't you the same poster who started this thread by saying that she was hiring a candidate from Detroit?

Are you just finding well-qualified people and starting rumors?  Detroit and Miami police should have a lot of experience fighting violent crime.

My sister lived in Miami and used to say that Detroit might be the murder capitol of America, but Miami had some high draft choices.

[tim huntzinger]

Gosh, that the Congressman's COS was in the Mayor's office was in the NTOA interim report, was it not? If not, I will gladly retract that statement.

At-will employees do not endanger public safety, in this instance having a person whose job is on the line may improve responsiveness.  Ohhhhhh but Wells does not want to work under the same conditions that most Tulsans work under - that would be 'at-will' employment.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

The rumor going around is it will be:

http://www.northmiamipolice.com/administration/police_chief/

The candidate you refer to sure has an impressive resume. I think she would be great.

But aren't you the same poster who started this thread by saying that she was hiring a candidate from Detroit?

Are you just finding well-qualified people and starting rumors?  Detroit and Miami police should have a lot of experience fighting violent crime.

My sister lived in Miami and used to say that Detroit might be the murder capitol of America, but Miami had some high draft choices.

I'm sure you caught that word I used in both posts that says "RUMOR".  The first post was based on a Detroit source, not anything here in Tulsa.

And please don't get Miami Police confused with the North Miami Police.... two totally different law enforcement agencies and completely different in size.

And since our current Mayor doesn't think I'm part of 'the team', nor is any other employee a part of 'the team' when it comes to hiring a police chief, rumor is all any of us, at this point, have to go on.

What a novel concept it would be to keep you employees in the loop.  Never happen here, but what an idea!

And the current rumored candidate was a rumor even before the Detroit rumored candidate.

But again, rumor.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Gosh, that the Congressman's COS was in the Mayor's office was in the NTOA interim report, was it not? If not, I will gladly retract that statement.

At-will employees do not endanger public safety, in this instance having a person whose job is on the line may improve responsiveness.  Ohhhhhh but Wells does not want to work under the same conditions that most Tulsans work under - that would be 'at-will' employment.

The Mayor could certainly be the poster-child for the exact reason civil service was born in the first place.  You don't have employee turnover simply based on the letter after someone's name, (R) or (D).

And if it is such positive thing to do, why don't we see all the other city department heads lining up asking to be at-will employees, or why don't we see the mayor talking about making all department heads at-will?

And if it is truly, in the Mayor's words, irrelevant, then why the big push to make the police chief at-will?

[tim huntzinger]

Why would someone want to leave Union protection and work at-will? I cannot think of any reason at all.  Why did the Bushiites oppose unionization of the DHS employees?  Getting someone fared is nearly impossible, which means it is nearly impossible to get fired.  All you have to do is hold on and in a few decades a copper parachute, that is why.

[patric]

The question of whether or not the Chief answers to the Mayor seemed to have been answered when Susan Savage was blocked from firing three bad vice cops who only got a wrist-slapping when their racket was exposed:

The Oklahoma Supreme Court has affirmed lower court rulings that prohibit Mayor Susan Savage and the city of Tulsa from disciplining three police officers who were already punished by Police Chief Ron Palmer.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=011229_Ne_a21rulin

The state's top court recently decided to leave intact a June decision by the Court of Civil Appeals, which had agreed with a district judge and ruled in favor of the Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police chapter and Officers Kevin Staats, Dan Tedrick and Dan Fuller.

Palmer suspended Staats, Tedrick and Fuller for 45 days without pay in May 2000 after he determined that they submitted false reports and gave untruthful statements to Internal Affairs officers linked to a traffic arrest.

The officers served those suspensions. Palmer also demoted Fuller upon finding that he failed to supervise properly.

In June 2000 letters to the three officers, Savage informed them that pretermination hearings had been scheduled to address "new information" that she had received indicating that "as a result of the improper arrest and false reports written to support the arrest, prosecutors have determined that your credibility as a witness in court" has been "highly damaged, if not destroyed."

Before any such hearings were conducted -- which could have led to the officers' firings -- Tulsa County District Judge Sharron Bubenik issued an injunction to prevent the mayor and city from disciplining the officers beyond the penalties Palmer had already imposed.

[Conan71]

Making the chief answer to the mayor still wouldn't give the mayor the power to fire or discipline officers, though I'm sure the at-will city attorney would say that's possible.

Personally, I don't want our police department run like a friggin' corporation by some nominee brought in via patronage.  That ultimately is what could happen in the future.  Imagine having a former rental car executive running our PD- not someone with law enforcement experience.  Not far from fantasy if the mayor opens this Pandora's box.

Having the police chief as an at-will employee is worse than bone-headed.

[tim huntzinger]

At least you are not trying to use logic on this one, Conan! [] If the Mayor wants to pay the political price, could she really do worse?  I would rather see an up and comer from the TPD have the position, but not if they do not see themselves working well with the Exec.

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

The rumor going around is it will be:

http://www.northmiamipolice.com/administration/police_chief/

That's no way to stir up all the misogeny on the force.  If you're going to do it, do it right.

I heard it's going to be . . . .

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

The rumor going around is it will be:

http://www.northmiamipolice.com/administration/police_chief/

That's no way to stir up all the misogeny on the force.  If you're going to do it, do it right.

I heard it's going to be . . . .

Like I said, face down in the velcro...

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Like I said, face down in the velcro...

Like I said, misogeny.

[Rico]

Like I said
"what the hell does it matter.......If the City is defeated in Court all this money spent on this search is for bupkis."

We are stuck with the expense and the PD.....

"Public Safety is job one"...KT

Is stuck with dealing with the mess.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Like I said
"what the hell does it matter.......If the City is defeated in Court all this money spent on this search is for bupkis."

We are stuck with the expense and the PD.....

"Public Safety is job one"...KT

Is stuck with dealing with the mess.

Yup.

Don't blame me, I sure as hell didn't help elect her.

[RecycleMichael]

I heard this is the new police chief...

http://www.toontracker.com/totaltv/underdog.htm

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I heard this is the new police chief...

http://www.toontracker.com/totaltv/underdog.htm

Absolutely not true.  I've got it on the QT it's this guy: