Is Tulsa's Next Police Chief....

[inteller]

the more the cops bicker among themselves the less people have to get harrassed by them.

something better happen quick though or we will end up with a corrupt lot like in LA.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am surprised that you can't remember Wilbur...or maybe it is just selective memory.

Been replaced most of his top management team after the Swat team report came out.

When Been was put on probation in 2006, his replacement, Chief Wells (one of the applicants for the new chief job) reassigned two deputy chiefs and five majors.

When Been was reinstated, they shuffled up the management again. Now in 2007 we have more changes.

Why don't we read the report again that states the turmoil...it is still on KOTV website...pay attention to page 8 where it says that the top management of the department hate each other.

http://www.kotv.com/files/mayor-tpd-davebeen-report.pdf

Go ahead and act like nothing is wrong...you are like Nero with his fiddle while Rome burns.

The only way that this police department will ever get back to working together as a team instead of the Hatfields and McCoys is to bring in an unbiased outsider with nothing to lose or gain. Enter David Bostrom.

Thank you, Mayor Taylor, for doing the right thing.

Hate to bust your 'all knowledge' bubble, but management movement is completely different then management replacement.  And management movement happens all the time.  Our division commanders typically get moved in the spring, their shift commanders typically get moved in mid-summer, and the first-line officers and supervisors movement takes place every August.  It has nothing to do with someone being in trouble or with happenings within the department.  It allows people to work in different areas of the department and it's what we call our annual 'shift change'.  Management movement has happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future, just like it always has.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

He is a Drew Diamond look-a-like

Drew Diamond: "We do not have gangs in Tulsa". [}:)]

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am not surprised to read Wilbur's comments.

Why don't you try to give the guy a chance? Why do you act like you are the only ones who know how to fight crime?

This guy has great credentials as is willing to come here and try to make a difference, even knowing that it is as a temp. He is walking into a dysfunctional department that has replaced all the top deputies every year and are on record as being split.

I hope that the majority of police officers aren't as close-minded as you.

^
OK I gave the guy a chance... and I hoped he would turn out to be a Police and Law Enforcement savant.

Activating Police reserve officers to take low priority calls just don't get it..

What does the reserve officer do if his "low priority" bicycle theft turns into something much more sinister...?

If this turns out to be an example of the Mayor's ... "Public Safety" is priority one..!
I am going to the "Gun Show" at the Fairgrounds.

I have had dealings with reserve officers and I do not believe they are required to take psych. exams.  I am sure one of the PD on the Board will correct me if I am wrong.

This reminds me of sending "weekend warriors" (i.e. army reserve) to fight the war in Iraq...

This sort of thing only crosses the mind of one very distant from the problem......

1st Strike: she told me personally the State of the City address would not be delivered to the "Chamber".......

If this reflects the future of "Public Safety" I will give this one a big 2 strikes........

You only get three strikes boys and girls.  

[Aa5drvr]

>>>You only get three boys and girls.

As for me, I'll take the 3 girls.

[Conan71]

I caught something on the Ch. 6 news this morning as I was heading out of the house about the interim chief calling for re-evaluation of all 814 existing officers prior to adding any more to the force.  Anyone else see that?

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am not surprised to read Wilbur's comments.

Why don't you try to give the guy a chance? Why do you act like you are the only ones who know how to fight crime?

This guy has great credentials as is willing to come here and try to make a difference, even knowing that it is as a temp. He is walking into a dysfunctional department that has replaced all the top deputies every year and are on record as being split.

I hope that the majority of police officers aren't as close-minded as you.

^
OK I gave the guy a chance... and I hoped he would turn out to be a Police and Law Enforcement savant.

Activating Police reserve officers to take low priority calls just don't get it..

What does the reserve officer do if his "low priority" bicycle theft turns into something much more sinister...?

If this turns out to be an example of the Mayor's ... "Public Safety" is priority one..!
I am going to the "Gun Show" at the Fairgrounds.

I have had dealings with reserve officers and I do not believe they are required to take psych. exams.  I am sure one of the PD on the Board will correct me if I am wrong.

This reminds me of sending "weekend warriors" (i.e. army reserve) to fight the war in Iraq...

This sort of thing only crosses the mind of one very distant from the problem......

1st Strike: she told me personally the State of the City address would not be delivered to the "Chamber".......

If this reflects the future of "Public Safety" I will give this one a big 2 strikes........

You only get three strikes boys and girls.  

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070606_1_A1_spanc85612

[Chicken Little]

Rico,

In the paper (for what that's worth), it seemed he was simply saying that the reserves were underutilized.  I didn't see a mention of them taking low priority calls...was that talked about someplace else?

I thought the "division of time" discussion was interesting, particularly the Dept's desire to reduce adminstrative duties from the "supposed" standard of 33% down to 20% of an officer's time.  Bostrom also mentioned taking some reports by phone. (separate:  I wonder if that would encourage more people to report crime?)

From the article, I inferred that reservists might be working the phones and handling administrative duties.  Is there another source on this?

[Conan71]

Thanks for posting that Rico.  I hadn't been to the "library" yet this morning when I made my last post.

Kind of leads me back to the old question of:

Is it better to gain a national or regional view of our PD and crime situation, or to retain the current culture in the PD which assumably understands our city and crime?

The underlying message I keep getting from the Chamber and the Mayor's office is that Tulsan's don't have a clue what is best for them and we need interlopers to decide what is best for us.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

The underlying message I keep getting from the Chamber and the Mayor's office is that Tulsan's don't have a clue what is best for them and we need interlopers to decide what is best for us.

I definitely think Taylor is trying to change things, and she's brought in a "consultant" to do it; I'm now certain that he'll never be anything more than an "interim".  It looks like he's here to shake things up; he's definitely no "player's coach".  I'm not saying that's good or bad, but corporations and teams do it all the time.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

The underlying message I keep getting from the Chamber and the Mayor's office is that Tulsan's don't have a clue what is best for them and we need interlopers to decide what is best for us.

I definitely think Taylor is trying to change things, and she's brought in a "consultant" to do it; I'm now certain that he'll never be anything more than an "interim".  It looks like he's here to shake things up; he's definitely no "player's coach".  I'm not saying that's good or bad, but corporations and teams do it all the time.

So far her approach offends me, but I'm willing to be open-minded and say it was all for the best down the road, if it really does wind up being better.  You can hold me to that, bookmark the message if you like. []

I can see where it makes sense to take a long look at present resources and see if they are all being used effectively and efficiently prior to adding more payroll employees.  I wish the federal gov't would do more of that.  I bet you could shave 25% out of bureaucracies in 6 months, just with a surface scan.

[Kiah]

Who is the F.O.P.'s mathmetician?

From the Tulsa World . . . .

Police growth questioned
6/6/2007

"Bostrom was participating in council committee meeting discussions on whether the police force's current 814 officers are enough to effectively patrol the city.

Sgt. Richard Alexander of the Headquarters Division said the city's ratio of officers to residents is 2.01 for every 1,000.

By comparison, the regional average is 2.06 per 1,000 and the national average is 2.03 per 1,000, he said."


Tulsa's 'lucky number' revealed
6/2/2007

"382,457.

That was the U.S. Census Bureau's latest estimate of Tulsa's population as of 11 a.m. Friday, and the number that will determine the winner of the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere buried under the Tulsa County Courthouse lawn."

814 officers/382.475 (thousand residents) = 2.128 officers per 1,000 residents – higher than the national and regional average

[tulsa_fan]

I don't know where Sgt Alexander's population number came from, but I checked the Census Bureau site and 382,457 is July of 2005 population, not current as of Friday, as it seemed the paper (or the mayor) implied.  Maybe the department is using more current numbers.  That could explain the difference.  Also, that argument was made by the Police Department, not the FOP.

[Kiah]

quote:Originally posted by tulsa_fan

I don't know where Sgt Alexander's population number came from, but I checked the Census Bureau site and 382,457 is July of 2005 population, not current as of Friday, as it seemed the paper (or the mayor) implied.  Maybe the department is using more current numbers.  That could explain the difference.  Also, that argument was made by the Police Department, not the FOP.

Actually, they're using even older population figures.  Our population has been declining for the last several years.

[blindnil]

A correction will reveal that police should have said 2.3 and 2.6, without the zero.