Police may help find illegals,it's about time.

[jamesrage]

Mayor Kathy Taylor finally does something right, which is to end Tulsa's sanctuary policy for illegals. The most amazing thing about the article title is the fact it is titled "Police may help find illegals",they actually call illegals "illegals" instead of "undocumented workers",undocumented immigrants",immigrants",or "undocumented americans".

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=d994510e-ab85-49cc-94ae-5d127281bee0
The intent is to stop the illegals involved in the worst crimes.  If approved, the plan would require Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they are in this country legally.


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City councilman John Eagleton and Mayor Kathy Taylor worked together to write the resolution.  "I'm unaware of any compelling reason why the city of Tulsa should not be protecting its citizens", Eagleton said.

The resolution requires Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they're in the country legally.  And if they can't prove that they are, immigration officials will be called.



That's something that isn't happening now.  "We occasionally arrest them for felonies but we don't bother to tell the federal government that they're here and how many of them there are", Eagleton said.

[cannon_fodder]

I have issues with ignoring the law.

But I also hope the police don't get sidetracked hunting illegals instead of worrying about more dangerous crimes.  I'd rather they worry about property crimes than this, let alone our violent crime issues.

Enforcement at the local level is a community expense and a backside patch.  I'm afraid it is not likely to be effective in the long run.  Unless we are so draconian that the words reaches Mexico "not to go to Tulsa."  I'm not so sure that reputation would serve us well either.

[Conan71]

I don't think it will turn into a round-up though Hispanic community leaders will spread fear that it is and all these Hispanics will be brutalized.  

Looks like it's only designed to identify who is and isn't here legally after an arrest on a felony.

[DM]

All it will do is make some Hispanics not report crime. Whether they are here legally or not. A Hispanic person who is a fairly new citizen, may think twice about helping someone in a car accident for fear of being harassed by the cops because he has a Mexican accident.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by DM

All it will do is make some Hispanics not report crime.

Small price to pay for enforcing the law.  I'll take it in trade for the illegals who drive without insurance.

[YoungTulsan]

This isn't a round-up.  This applies to people who are arrested for breaking the law.

At the very LEAST we should be rounding up illegals who commit crimes.  That is something everyone should agree on.  You may not realize it, but often times a Spanish speaking invididual will be involved in a car wreck and be obviously DUI, but nothing will be done and he will be turned loose.  Why?  The police will have a "theres nothing we can do about it" policy.  If that changes, then this is wonderful news.  This doesn't even say "Hey, we're going to start looking for illegals" - This only states that if you get busted committing a crime, immigration services will be informed.

Sadly, it only says that they will be informed.  So it is STILL up to the federal immigration forces to even DO anything about it.  That is no promise, for sure.

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by DM

All it will do is make some Hispanics not report crime.

Small price to pay for enforcing the law.  I'll take it in trade for the illegals who drive without insurance.

I will remember that when police ask for witnesses to come forward to a homicide or something like that and the only witness does not want to come forward for this very reason.

Small price...yeah. [B)]

[DM]

Just to clarify, I do support rounding up illegals. But not by our police department. They have a job to keep our city safe and investigate crimes. Seems border patrol or immigration should be rounding up illegals.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by DM
I will remember that when police ask for witnesses to come forward to a homicide or something like that and the only witness does not want to come forward for this very reason.

Small price...yeah. [B)]

What part of this discussion has anything to do with what you're talking about?  Not enforcing the law and putting our citizens at risk simply because of rediculous hypotheticals.  You're willing to sacrifice the enforcing of the law and protection of Tulsans because, on the off chance, you may have a handful of incidents per year where people won't cooperate as witnesses.  Welcome to North Tulsa, and I don't hear people complaining about that.  Time to leave the land of theory.

When the federal government abdicates its responsibility to enforce the law and we suffer as a result of it, the State has every right to step in and fill the gaps if for no other reason than to stop the bleeding.  Nothing that is being proposed precludes the Feds from getting their act together.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by DM

Just to clarify, I do support rounding up illegals. But not by our police department. They have a job to keep our city safe and investigate crimes. Seems border patrol or immigration should be rounding up illegals.

Just to clarify, the police department is not going to be actively searching for and rounding up illegals.

They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

Nothing more, nothing less.  I don't read anything into it which would keep police from doing their duties and won't tie them up more than an extra 5-10 minutes in booking.

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by DM
I will remember that when police ask for witnesses to come forward to a homicide or something like that and the only witness does not want to come forward for this very reason.

Small price...yeah. [B)]

What part of this discussion has anything to do with what you're talking about?  

quote: All it will do is make some Hispanics not report crime. Whether they are here legally or not. A Hispanic person who is a fairly new citizen, may think twice about helping someone in a car accident for fear of being harassed by the cops because he has a Mexican accident.

Just thought you may want to read this again as it has direct relation to your previous small price to pay comment.

quote: Welcome to North Tulsa, and I don't hear people complaining about that.

And this seems to be working so well for North Tulsa doesnt it?

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

And who will they ask? Just the brown people right? So if you are white, then this has nothing to do with you and we know that no white person has ever done any terrorist or major crime before. Right.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

And who will they ask? Just the brown people right? So if you are white, then this has nothing to do with you and we know that no white person has ever done any terrorist or major crime before. Right.

Why are you assuming this?  I think the Fort Dix situation argues against you.  Do you have any proof to back up this claim, or are you just prematurely attributing racist motives before the law is even enacted?

What's wrong with this law if everyone that's arrested has to prove citizenship.  It's a low threshold of proof to prove your legality.

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

And who will they ask? Just the brown people right? So if you are white, then this has nothing to do with you and we know that no white person has ever done any terrorist or major crime before. Right.

Why are you assuming this?  I think the Fort Dix situation argues against you.  Do you have any proof to back up this claim, or are you just prematurely attributing racist motives before the law is even enacted?

What's wrong with this law if everyone that's arrested has to prove citizenship.  It's a low threshold of proof to prove your legality.

My apologies. (and don't get use to that either but I will admit when I am wrong. lol!) I misread the article.

quote: If approved, the plan would require Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they are in this country legally

Moving along.
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[iplaw]

I was beginning to think you were just Hometown's sock puppet for the day...[]