Police may help find illegals,it's about time.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

9/11 isn't relevant to the conversation any more than burritos are just because we're talking about people from Mexico.  He did not bring up the issue, and never made a reference to terrorism.  Go fish.

It is because talk-radio brought this issue to us using 9/11. Before 9/11, I don't remember this issue having such spark.

I posted some really good thoughts on the subject of illegal immigration last month, but the thread went sour and the moderator nuked the whole thing.

[Conan71]

Hawkins, this issue has been kicking around since the '80's.  It ratchets up a little more from time-to-time.  

Hardly post 9/11 unless that's when you started listening to talk radio.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins
It is because talk-radio brought this issue to us using 9/11. Before 9/11, I don't remember this issue having such spark.

Then you weren't paying attention before 9/11.  This is a cyclical issue.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

And how many times did you worry about this issue before 9/11?

And this is relevant how?This is not relevant.

LOL, it certainly is because it shows that your way of thinking on this issue has been conditioned by the Hannity's and Ingram's of the talk radio world.

As for whatever else you wrote, cliff notes, please.

I did notice from another thread that you throw the word "traitor" around seemingly at the drop of a hat. Members of Congress I think you were referring to.

Another example of your weak-minded capitulation to far right propaganda.

Hannity and Ingraham are little better than propoganda-spewing partisan demagogues-and I've listened to them and know from whence I speak. The fact that there are people whose worldview is shaped by these....individuals...is distressing indeed.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

I don't know that anyone is disputing that.

I dispute that, if you are trying to imply that legal workers don't. I know plenty of legal workers that have a work horse work ethic. Union businesses and workers are some of the best in the state. You have to be, to stay in business in a corrupt sanctuary state like Oklahoma, where they compete with illegal low wage employers utilizing all available means to cheat the system and exploit their workers.

Not saying that, but now that I think about it, I remember first-hand returning to Tulsa after Katrina, and briefly working banquets while there, and of an instance where we had a gaggle of illegals setting up the rooms alongside some other people. The other people stood around and worked "a little," but the illegals just plowed right in. They got the job done alot faster, because they knew they were there to work. The others, well....And that's just about anywhere. The illegals seem thankful for the opprtunity to weork, while others seem to take it as a given.

You speak in offensive stereotypes that have no foundation in reality. No group of people can be generalized like this as a whole. Not all illegal immigrants are law abiding hardworkers,   not all legal workers are lazy slackers. The real issue is illegal immigrants work cheaper, not harder. Are these cost savings passed on to the consumer? No, these ill-gotten profits pad the pockets of illegal employers. The real victims are the honest, legitimate, businesses and workers that operate in accordance with the law who are forced to compete against these illegal employers and the illegal workers they exploit.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins


LOL, it certainly is because it shows that your way of thinking on this issue has been conditioned by the Hannity's and Ingram's of the talk radio world.

I feel the same way about illegal immigration when I hear about it on ABC,NBC or some other liberal news network,which they do mention it every once in a blue moon.12-20 million people in this country illegally is a serious problem.You have to be a  dee dee dee moron to think that it is no problem that 12-20 million people can just walk into this country and with the problem getting worse every day.

quote:I did notice from another thread that you throw the word "traitor" around seemingly at the drop of a hat. Members of Congress I think you were referring to.

I think it is treasonous to encourage a invasion.12-20 million people entering our country illegally with the number growing bigger every day is an invasion and for people in office and for scumbag employers to be encouraging it a threat to sovereignty and country by either hiring illegals or trying to give them benefits or amnesty is treasonous.

quote: Another example of your weak-minded capitulation to far right propaganda.

People regardless if they are liberal or conservative have been pissed about illegal immigration for a a long time.They were pissed about it 20 years ago when they passed the Reagan amnesty and they are still pissed about it now.Your attempt to blow this off as some sort of by-product of conservative radio is absurd,it is almost as shameful as trying to throw the race,xenophobe,anti-immigrant or anti-Hispanic card falsely into the debate.I guess trying to throw race into the mix is not working for you. So you pro-illegals decided to make it seem as though this illegal immigration debate is a result and imagination of some sort of right wing propaganda.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

I don't know that anyone is disputing that.

I dispute that, if you are trying to imply that legal workers don't. I know plenty of legal workers that have a work horse work ethic. Union businesses and workers are some of the best in the state. You have to be, to stay in business in a corrupt sanctuary state like Oklahoma, where they compete with illegal low wage employers utilizing all available means to cheat the system and exploit their workers.

Not saying that, but now that I think about it, I remember first-hand returning to Tulsa after Katrina, and briefly working banquets while there, and of an instance where we had a gaggle of illegals setting up the rooms alongside some other people. The other people stood around and worked "a little," but the illegals just plowed right in. They got the job done alot faster, because they knew they were there to work. The others, well....And that's just about anywhere. The illegals seem thankful for the opprtunity to weork, while others seem to take it as a given.

You speak in offensive stereotypes that have no foundation in reality. No group of people can be generalized like this as a whole. Not all illegal immigrants are law abiding hardworkers,   not all legal workers are lazy slackers. The real issue is illegal immigrants work cheaper, not harder. Are these cost savings passed on to the consumer? No, these ill-gotten profits pad the pockets of illegal employers. The real victims are the honest, legitimate, businesses and workers that operate in accordance with the law who are forced to compete against these illegal employers and the illegal workers they exploit.

Not my intent at all, but I see your point.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I'm curious how most of you are going to prove your citizenship.  What do you carry on your person that identifies you as a US citizen?  

First-off, I don't plan on committing any felonies.  Other than that, I only carry my OK DL on me unless I'm travelling out of the country.  The last thing I want is for some crook to steal my wallet and wind up with both my DL and SS card.  I definitely don't keep my birth certificate in my truck.

Should I assume from your question that the police are scratching their heads on how they are going to verify citizenship?

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage


Social security card,U.S. birth certificate and a Oklahoma driver's license. Last time I checked illegals do not have any of those and with the age of computers those things can be verified.

With the age of computers it's easy to fake these things too.  That's a large reason so many illegals are able to hoodwink honest employers and how dishonest employers are able to claim ignorance.

I thought it was illegal to drive without your drivers license on you while your driving?

[Rico]

"Social security card,U.S. birth certificate and a Oklahoma driver's license. Last time I checked illegals do not have any of those and with the age of computers those things can be verified."

^

That is a recipe for an "Identity Thief's Dream Machine"

But what the heck you will be able to prove you are a U.S. Citizen....

If you do not want the worries of "ID Theft".... You might give a Passport a try.



[}:)]

[AVERAGE JOE]

Can't wait for rage to paint me as "pro-illegal", but here's my thoughts:

I would be concerned over the amount of time and resources it would take for police to check citizenship on every misdemeanor offense. Perhaps a reasonable approach would be to create a list of misdemeanors where police check citizenship -- DUI, larceny, etc.

This amounts to an unfunded mandate and I for one am not all that keen on doing the feds' job at the local level. But checking citizenship on all felony arrests and specific misdemeanor arrests would be a step in the right direction.

Somebody also brought up a good point -- is the local federal office prepared to handle the influx of cases the police will turn over to them? If not, we're REALLY wasting our time (and taxpayer money).

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Can't wait for rage to paint me as "pro-illegal", but here's my thoughts:

I would be concerned over the amount of time and resources it would take for police to check citizenship on every misdemeanor offense. Perhaps a reasonable approach would be to create a list of misdemeanors where police check citizenship -- DUI, larceny, etc.

From the city hall meeting I seen on tv it would only take a minute or two to check for citizenship.

[Rico]

Originally posted by Wilbur

"I'm curious how most of you are going to prove your citizenship. What do you carry on your person that identifies you as a US citizen? What do you have at home that proves you are a US citizen? Sounds like the only people who can actually prove citizenship are those who are here on visas because they are issued papers by the government proving they are here legally."



What I plan on doing is carrying nothing at all that indicates I am a US Citizen... furthermore...... I plan to speak only Spanish and act very nervous.....

When I decide I have had enough "vacaciones"
I guess I will stumble into the office of the nearest American Consulat.... and claim I have been the victim of a case of mistaken identity...

[}:)]

[pmcalk]

Leaders clarify status check

Mayor Kathy Taylor stressed to U.S. Rep. John Sullivan and other federal officials Thursday that the Tulsa Jail conducts immigration status checks for felony and most misdemeanor arrests.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070601_1_A1_lease54884

According to the article, status checks are already being done, but were reported incorrectly.  According to KOTV, the police had the wrong phone number for ICE.

Does anyone else find that odd?  They had the wrong phone number?  Did they try 411?

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Leaders clarify status check

Mayor Kathy Taylor stressed to U.S. Rep. John Sullivan and other federal officials Thursday that the Tulsa Jail conducts immigration status checks for felony and most misdemeanor arrests.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070601_1_A1_lease54884

According to the article, status checks are already being done, but were reported incorrectly.  According to KOTV, the police had the wrong phone number for ICE.

Does anyone else find that odd?  They had the wrong phone number?  Did they try 411?

And does anyone really believe that B.S.?  You're going to tell me that police officers for how many years have been calling a telephone number that was wrong and nobody on either end of all those telephone conversations ever realized someone called a wrong number?  Please!!  Give me a break!  SPIN!!

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Leaders clarify status check

Mayor Kathy Taylor stressed to U.S. Rep. John Sullivan and other federal officials Thursday that the Tulsa Jail conducts immigration status checks for felony and most misdemeanor arrests.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070601_1_A1_lease54884

According to the article, status checks are already being done, but were reported incorrectly.  According to KOTV, the police had the wrong phone number for ICE.

Does anyone else find that odd?  They had the wrong phone number?  Did they try 411?

And does anyone really believe that B.S.?  You're going to tell me that police officers for how many years have been calling a telephone number that was wrong and nobody on either end of all those telephone conversations ever realized someone called a wrong number?  Please!!  Give me a break!  SPIN!!

Wrong number, heh.

"Hola!  Dis ees immigracion department er uh service, how may I help you por favor?"

"Yes, this is Officer Schmeckelheckel with the David Moss Correctional Center in Tulsa.  We have one Juan Doe in our custody.  Can you please check his immigration status?"

"Oh, Juan Doe, no need to check, I know hees here legally. Gracias! Adios!"

[}:)][}:)]