CALL CITY COUNCILORS NOW!!!!!!!

[nam vet]

Congressman Sullivan's office is requesting that Tulsa City constituents call the following City Councilors to urge them to retain the resolution requirement that illegal alien status is checked by City Police for misdemeanors as well as felonies.  Mayor Taylor wants to check for felonies only. A drunk driving fatality is a misdemeanor and would not be subject to inquiry if the Mayor gets her way.  The calls must be made before the Thursday 6:00pm Council meeting 5-24-07.



Please get the word to as many people as you can. This is an important time to ACT.



Councilors to contact:



Rick Westcott

Bill Martinson

Dennis Troyer

John Eagleton

Bill Christiansen

Cason Carter



Call 596-1990 and ask for Councilors office

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by nam vet



Congressman Sullivan�s office is requesting that Tulsa City constituents call the following City Councilors to urge them to retain the resolution requirement that illegal alien status is checked by City Police for misdemeanors as well as felonies.  Mayor Taylor wants to check for felonies only. A drunk driving fatality is a misdemeanor and would not be subject to inquiry if the Mayor gets her way.  The calls must be made before the Thursday 6:00pm Council meeting 5-24-07.



Please get the word to as many people as you can. This is an important time to ACT.



Councilors to contact:



Rick Westcott

Bill Martinson

Dennis Troyer

John Eagleton

Bill Christiansen

Cason Carter



Call 596-1990 and ask for Councilors office

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Oye...!

Si puedes traducir este halgo... es possible que yo puedo mandar una carta o hacer un llamado por ti.

Pero, si no puedes ayudar a mi.... yo no puedo ayudar ud.

Entiende...?

Vivo en este pais por casi todo mi vida... Puedo hablar Ingles, pero, no me gusta la idioma....

Nacio en un Estado al sur de Oklahoma...

Y penso que soy mas de un "gringo" que tu ....

Si quieres hacer un ejercicio que no vale nada.. andale....

Si quieres gastar el tiempo de la Policia con cosas que no valen nada.... tenemos una problema .


rico


[}:)]

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Rico





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Oye...!

Si puedes traducir este halgo... es possible que yo puedo mandar una carta o hacer un llamado por ti.

Pero, si no puedes ayudar a mi.... yo no puedo ayudar ud.

Entiende...?

Vivo en este pais por casi todo mi vida... Puedo hablar Ingles, pero, no me gusta la idioma....

Nacio en un Estado al sur de Oklahoma...

Y penso que soy mas de un "gringo" que tu ....

Si quieres hacer un ejercicio que no vale nada.. andale....

Si quieres gastar el tiempo de la Policia con cosas que no valen nada.... tenemos una problema .


rico


[}:)]

This is why we need english only rules.Last time I checked this was the United states of America,not the United Mexican States.Cracking down on illegals is worth the time of the police.If our federal government did it's damn job we would not have to have the state and local governments doing the jobs the feds won't do.

[RecycleMichael]

I laugh that our congressman is trying to shirk a federal problem off on our local officials.

Who doesn't believe that illegal immigration issues are mostly caused and can be best solved by the federal government?

I think our councilors should tell our congressman to do his job before he tells them how to do theirs.

[rwarn17588]

I find it ironic that jamesrage wants English-only rules, yet he is not well-versed in English in terms of spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation.

I spotted eight errors in the last post alone.

Physician, heal thyself.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I laugh that our congressman is trying to shirk a federal problem off on our local officials.

Who doesn't believe that illegal immigration issues are mostly caused and can be best solved by the federal government?

Who here knows the federal government refuses to do it's job and refuses to fix the problem?So logically the problem can be best solved and fixed at the local and state level.Illegals do not cost the federal government anything they cost the tax payers who live in the states and cities.

quote: I think our councilors should tell our congressman to do his job before he tells them how to do theirs.

Our congressman did not vote for that new amnesty bill that the rat traitors in DC are trying to pass,so he is doing his job.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I laugh that our congressman is trying to shirk a federal problem off on our local officials.

Who doesn't believe that illegal immigration issues are mostly caused and can be best solved by the federal government?

I think our councilors should tell our congressman to do his job before he tells them how to do theirs.

The overall picture?  Yes, best solved by the feds.  Enforcement and tracking them down once they are inside the borders, easier to do at the local and state level.

There are local initiatives, taken with Federal which would put a dent in the problem.

Personally, I see the latest round of Federal legislation winding up just like the '86 reform act.  Everyone is too afraid of Mexico's feelings on the issue.

[iplaw]

quote:Puedo hablar Ingles, pero, no me gusta la idioma....

Usted decidia cambiar al espanol porque usted consiguio malos grados en ingles?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I find it ironic that jamesrage wants English-only rules, yet he is not well-versed in English in terms of spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation.

I spotted eight errors in the last post alone.

Physician, heal thyself.

Kinda like Tulsa World employees claiming to work for a unbiased, objective newspaper.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Puedo hablar Ingles, pero, no me gusta la idioma....

Usted decidia cambiar al espanol porque usted consiguio malos grados en ingles?

No, no me gusta que hay palabras en Espanol que no puedes traducir a Ingles...

Pero, gracias por su commentos...

Este que es lo verdad.... no va a cambiar.. en un idioma... es lo mismo que otro...

Pero que vas a hacer cuando la idioma es Quechua...?

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by Rico





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Oye...!

Si puedes traducir este halgo... es possible que yo puedo mandar una carta o hacer un llamado por ti.

Pero, si no puedes ayudar a mi.... yo no puedo ayudar ud.

Entiende...?

Vivo en este pais por casi todo mi vida... Puedo hablar Ingles, pero, no me gusta la idioma....

Nacio en un Estado al sur de Oklahoma...

Y penso que soy mas de un "gringo" que tu ....

Si quieres hacer un ejercicio que no vale nada.. andale....

Si quieres gastar el tiempo de la Policia con cosas que no valen nada.... tenemos una problema .


rico


[}:)]

This is why we need english only rules.Last time I checked this was the United states of America,not the United Mexican States.Cracking down on illegals is worth the time of the police.If our federal government did it's damn job we would not have to have the state and local governments doing the jobs the feds won't do.

Do people not understand it won't change a thing!

Local police arrest a guy on a drunk driving charge.  They check and find he is in the country illegally (where that database is, I have no idea).  The police call the feds, who for years have told the police they don't want these petty criminals.  The feds refuse to accept them, just like in the past, and the immigration issue is over.  

Why does everyone think that all of a sudden, because the police in Tulsa are checking people's immigration status, the feds are going to jump up and say "give us all your illegals!"  They're not.  The dude that walked before is going to continue to walk in the future.  Without the federal cooperation, immigration is impossible at the local level.  There is no illegal immigration law on the books in Tulsa.  There is no bus that local police drive to the Mexican boarder.  And do we all think all illegals are from Mexico?  Really?

[TheArtist]

Ok, I am still a bit confused on all of this. I would have thought that if anyone was stopped or arrested by police that the police would check for an ID. Especially if it was any of the examples given, driving drunk, hit and run, etc.  One has to be driving a car to do those so shouldnt one also have a drivers license?

I accidently left for work the other day without my wallet and license and was afraid of what would happen if I got caught driving without it.  Wouldn't I get in trouble for that? So wouldn't someone who didn't have a license at all be in even more trouble?  I am guessing that illegal aliens aren't able to get licences?

Even if you arent driving and you get arrested by the police don't you have to have some sort of ID? If you don't wouldnt they have to do some sort of search to find out if you were who you said you were?

Basically how could they NOT know your an illegal alien?  How is that possible?

How could the police even issue a ticket without getting some form of ID? They would have to in order for the ticket or fine or arrest to make any sense?  They have to know who you are, don't they?

Someone please explain this to me.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Ok, I am still a bit confused on all of this. I would have thought that if anyone was stopped or arrested by police that the police would check for an ID. Especially if it was any of the examples given, driving drunk, hit and run, etc.  One has to be driving a car to do those so shouldnt one also have a drivers license?

I accidently left for work the other day without my wallet and license and was afraid of what would happen if I got caught driving without it.  Wouldn't I get in trouble for that? So wouldn't someone who didn't have a license at all be in even more trouble?  I am guessing that illegal aliens aren't able to get licences?

Even if you arent driving and you get arrested by the police don't you have to have some sort of ID? If you don't wouldnt they have to do some sort of search to find out if you were who you said you were?

Basically how could they NOT know your an illegal alien?  How is that possible?

How could the police even issue a ticket without getting some form of ID? They would have to in order for the ticket or fine or arrest to make any sense?  They have to know who you are, don't they?

Someone please explain this to me.

Driving without a license is a city misd.  The officer can either issue a ticket or take the person to jail.  If you have a license but don't have it with you at the time of being stopped.  You can give the officer your information (name, DOB, Social security number, D.L. number)and it can be verified. The officer may also put your fingerprint on the hard copy of the ticket just to verify later in court.  

There is another charge for driving a vehicle and not having your license.

If you are arrested and do not have identification, an officer will take your information and check to see if you are already in the Tulsa Police data base.  If someone has been arrested before, then officers will just check their photo. Officers can also check a person's criminal history which will have their tattoos and fingerprints recorded so officers can compare that way.

Illegal immigrants are very difficult because they may not have any record of their information anywhere.  It is common for an illegal immigrant to have several names and to move to a different city if they are arrested. Once at the new city, they just make up another name and personal information. Sometimes, we never know their real names.

The only break we have is if they have been sent to jail somewhere and their fingerprints are on file.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I find it ironic that jamesrage wants English-only rules, yet he is not well-versed in English in terms of spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation.

I spotted eight errors in the last post alone.

Physician, heal thyself.

Is that all you have....

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Ok, I am still a bit confused on all of this. I would have thought that if anyone was stopped or arrested by police that the police would check for an ID. Especially if it was any of the examples given, driving drunk, hit and run, etc.  One has to be driving a car to do those so shouldnt one also have a drivers license?

I accidently left for work the other day without my wallet and license and was afraid of what would happen if I got caught driving without it.  Wouldn't I get in trouble for that? So wouldn't someone who didn't have a license at all be in even more trouble?  I am guessing that illegal aliens aren't able to get licences?

Even if you arent driving and you get arrested by the police don't you have to have some sort of ID? If you don't wouldnt they have to do some sort of search to find out if you were who you said you were?

Basically how could they NOT know your an illegal alien?  How is that possible?

How could the police even issue a ticket without getting some form of ID? They would have to in order for the ticket or fine or arrest to make any sense?  They have to know who you are, don't they?

Someone please explain this to me.

Driving without a license is a city misd.  The officer can either issue a ticket or take the person to jail.  If you have a license but don't have it with you at the time of being stopped.  You can give the officer your information (name, DOB, Social security number, D.L. number)and it can be verified. The officer may also put your fingerprint on the hard copy of the ticket just to verify later in court.  

There is another charge for driving a vehicle and not having your license.

If you are arrested and do not have identification, an officer will take your information and check to see if you are already in the Tulsa Police data base.  If someone has been arrested before, then officers will just check their photo. Officers can also check a person's criminal history which will have their tattoos and fingerprints recorded so officers can compare that way.

Illegal immigrants are very difficult because they may not have any record of their information anywhere.  It is common for an illegal immigrant to have several names and to move to a different city if they are arrested. Once at the new city, they just make up another name and personal information. Sometimes, we never know their real names.

The only break we have is if they have been sent to jail somewhere and their fingerprints are on file.

Since I have never been arrested before. If the police stop me all I have to do is not show any ID, and lie about who I am, then they won't be able to get me to pay a fine or show up for any court date, etc. because they never knew who it was they stopped?

I can't imagine that the police could let someone go if that person had no proof of who they were and the police had no idea who that person was.

How would they record the crime? Whats your name sir?... Umm Joe Blow... Where do you live?... Under the 21st bridge... Any family members, contact information?.... Nope.  Ok, here is your ticket be sure to pay it, or, Your court date is on such and such a day, be sure to be there....   Riiiiiiiiight, like thats gonna happen. The police couldn't enforce anything if they didn't know who the person was. And they shouldn't let them go until they find out. Especially if they were stopped because of a crime.