Drinkers asked to sign petition

[cannon_fodder]

I withdraw my comment on drunken public officials.  Certainly none of our outstanding leaders would make decisions or statement under a state of impairment.  Lest they lead us all into disaster with horrible proclamations and laws.

Actually, I think it would be refreshing to dictate a level of intoxication at all public debates.  Get some honesty out there!  If nothing else we could get people to tune into the debates.

"No, I didnt shhay I donts like black people.  What I mean to said was that theys different than Obama mostly was.  Wait.  No.  What were we talking about? I gotta pee."

Thank you Mrs. Clinton, that's your time.

[RecycleMichael]

I like it when public officials call a "symposium".

Symposium originally referred to a drinking party (the Greek verb sympotein means "to drink together").

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I withdraw my comment on drunken public officials.  Certainly none of our outstanding leaders would make decisions or statement under a state of impairment.  Lest they lead us all into disaster with horrible proclamations and laws.

Actually, I think it would be refreshing to dictate a level of intoxication at all public debates.  Get some honesty out there!  If nothing else we could get people to tune into the debates.

"No, I didnt shhay I donts like black people.  What I mean to said was that theys different than Obama mostly was.  Wait.  No.  What were we talking about? I gotta pee."

Thank you Mrs. Clinton, that's your time.

Speaking of "need to pee," I do now...

Isn't this already in effect in England? They call it "Parliament." I'll take parliament over c-span anyday.

Here's one of many good clips:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QpZhugomNJE

And more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_6030000/newsid_6039800/bb_wm_6039894.stm

[grahambino]

pretty sure liquor stores in texas still make good money despite the fact that you can buy beer & wine in the grocery stores.  i could be wrong there...

that being said...i'd be happy if they kept the beer & wine at the liquor stores if they could just sell the beer there COLD.  I like to drink good beer now & then & it sucks to have to submerge a beer in salty ice to get it cold in a semi-reasonable time.

not selling beer cold @ liquor stores is the most asinine law.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

pretty sure liquor stores in texas still make good money despite the fact that you can buy beer & wine in the grocery stores.  i could be wrong there...

that being said...i'd be happy if they kept the beer & wine at the liquor stores if they could just sell the beer there COLD.  I like to drink good beer now & then & it sucks to have to submerge a beer in salty ice to get it cold in a semi-reasonable time.

not selling beer cold @ liquor stores is the most asinine law.

I can see that. I would also suggest relaxing the laws to allow liquor stores to sell complimentary items (bacardi, ice, etc.)

[cannon_fodder]

I think Sq hit the biggest joke on the head.  My favorite is the dual counter liquor store.  One side is the "liquor store" and then you walk out, back in, and the guy turns around to face you in the "continence store" side.  What possible purpose could that serve?

Argh, the alcohol laws in this state are arbitrary, out dated, and worthless.  Maybe so many Okies are giant fatties because they have to drink 9 beers to get a buzz.  I think high point beer should be considered to help end the obesity crisis. [}:)]

[CoffeeBean]

Interesting post on state petitions:

After collecting the signatures comes the hard part, surviving the legal challenge.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean

Interesting post on state petitions:

After collecting the signatures comes the hard part, surviving the legal challenge.

I am proud to have been part of the effort to successfully expose and document the fraud and illegal signature collectors circulating the TABOR petition, especially because they were also gathering signatures for the ill conceived, ill-fated attempt to add at-large Councilors on the city council.

[runderwo]

The site is now oklahomansformodernlaws.com in case you were wondering where the modernlawsok.org site went...

[tulsascoot]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Do you have to be sober to sign the petition?

Functioning alcoholics know how to deal with the present laws.  I know to get to the liquor store before 9pm and to lay in my after-church provisions on Saturday. [}:)]

I am not a functioning alcoholic, but I do enjoy a good beer, and I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday. I can't stand drinking that watered down crap. I've also worked nights for many years, and getting a 6 pack on the way home from a long night shift should be possible. Alcoholics aren't punished by these laws because they plan to get drunk, and get what they need early. Casual beer drinkers who appreciate a good beer after work are the ones who are at a disadvantage.

I've lived here my whole life, and these laws need to be updated. It would be nice to be able to buy a real Coors or Budweiser instead of paying more for imports and micros all of the time.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by tulsascoot

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Do you have to be sober to sign the petition?

Functioning alcoholics know how to deal with the present laws.  I know to get to the liquor store before 9pm and to lay in my after-church provisions on Saturday. [}:)]

I am not a functioning alcoholic, but I do enjoy a good beer, and I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday. I can't stand drinking that watered down crap. I've also worked nights for many years, and getting a 6 pack on the way home from a long night shift should be possible. Alcoholics aren't punished by these laws because they plan to get drunk, and get what they need early. Casual beer drinkers who appreciate a good beer after work are the ones who are at a disadvantage.

I've lived here my whole life, and these laws need to be updated. It would be nice to be able to buy a real Coors or Budweiser instead of paying more for imports and micros all of the time.

I don't know that this law would change the fact that we don't have "full" Budweiser or Coors. They aren't here because of a "blue" law but because the liquor distributors got a law passed where exclusive distributorship rights can't be granted for intoxicating beverages and beer in excess of 3.2 is now in that group.

It's not that Bud in excess of 3.2 can't be sold in Oklahoma (it legally can) but it's that Budweiser and Coors et all refuse to sell full strength beer here since they would lose so much money from not being able to sell distributor rights.

The new law may change that, but I don't know that it addresses the issue at all. Is there someone on here that does if it would change the rules on beer distributors?

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by tulsascoot

Originally posted by Conan71

I would love to be able to pick up a 12 pack of good beer on Sunday.

You know _if_ this passes (and it most likely won't) they will cut off our Sunday beer.   There is too much money in the distributor ships to let people like Albertsons/Food Pyramid/Aldi/Homeland whatever to compete.

[okcpulse]

swake,

Unfortunately, this state question will only deal with one constitutional change... allowing grocery stores to sell wine and beer, not including a change to repeal the franchise ban.  It will require another constitutional change to allow franchising.

State law only allows one constitutional revision per state question, unless the state question involves altering the entire Article or Title.

Here is the good news.  I was told by the group's publicist that beer manufacturers were in discussion with the group- Oklahomans for Modern Laws- regarding selling strong domestic beer in Oklahoma.  I would imagine beer manufacturers might be knocking on the legislatures door after this passes, unless lawmakers introduce a seperate state question themselves through a House or Senate Joint Resolution.

[DwnTwnTul]

Did this group give up?  When I went to their site today, it was down.  

http://www.modernlawsok.org/

[Trams]

There was a previous string on this issue, I believe.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5646