River Plan- Public Infrastructure

[swake]

Here is your quote:

.....A BOK subsidiary called Oppenheimer

You said Oppenheimer, not Oppenheim.

And again, if Kaiser was trying to make money off of the whole deal, donating over a hundred million dollars is bad way to go about it.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
unwarranted personal attacks contrary to the Rules of Deportment of this Forum.....

Personal attacks?

Because I don't just swallow what you are selling? That's a personal attack?

Keep it coming...

[bokworker]

The BOk subsidiary is actually Leo Oppenheim and as Swake correctly points out has absolutely nothing to do with Oppenheimer....

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by swake

Here is your quote:

.....A BOK subsidiary called Oppenheimer

You said Oppenheimer, not Oppenheim.

And again, if Kaiser was trying to make money off of the whole deal, donating over a hundred million dollars is bad way to go about it.

So Sorrrrryyy for the very slight mis-spelling.

Oppenheim.  

Not Oppenheimer.  Nonetheless, the entity was part of the bank, right-o?

Okay, Weisenheimer, in your spurious smoke-screen about a slightly mispelled word, the fact appears to be lost that the two banks heavily promoting the Vision 2025 Tax, that both contributed $10,000's to promote it, then in turn made $1,000,000's from the sole-sourced non-competitive bid SWEETHEART deal.

That is a essential fact.

Maybe a slight over-reaction on your part.  

Please calmly come down off your broom for a safe landing.

On the Kaiser Family Foundation:

As I understand it, the Foundation has to give away about $100 million per annum, or it will lose all or a portion of the tax-exempt nature of this entity.  Ask the IRS.  

I'm happy George wants to give back something to Tulsa.  After all, it was his hometown.

VERY Generous with the $12 million FREELY given for River Parks trail improvement, announced just days ahead of the Kaiser River Tax in order to prime the pump.  

Just great.  The heavily used bike/jogging trails will probably be better for it.

However, I am NOT happy when CONDITIONAL philanthropy wants to TAKE money from the pockets of Tulsa's poorest, that are struggling from paycheck to paycheck, and this new tax will literally TAKE food from their table, take warmth from their cold homes in winter, and take clothes from their children's backs.  

In net, much MORE will be TAKEN than GIVEN.

Much, much, more.

And that is the way all Banana Republics operate.

Such an act outside of the core City Government function of police, fire protection, water, sewer and streets is IMMORAL, and should be judged accordingly.

If our local prominent church & religious leaders really believed in one iota of what they spew from their pulpits each week, they too should speak out on the immoral aspect of this UNNECESSARY tax taking.

But having lost their Moral Authority, their feet are simply made of clay.  

Feckless to their phoney and hypocritical core.

Made impotent by their fear of the local power Oligarchy.

[V]

[bokworker]

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

Wow, expecting the precision of a rocket engineer on a public discussion forum.

It will B-OK. Just drop the "er", and instead of Oppenheimer you have voila:  Oppenheim.

Either way, it was part of the bank.  Bond Underwriter, right?  Split the bond underwriting with F&M, right??

But, no "er", correct.  Oppenheim.  Not Oppenheimer or Weisenheimer.  Very Important fact.  No "er" on the part of the bank known as Leo Oppenheim that actually was the Vision 2025 bond sole-sourced co-underwriter.

Here's a swell little fact you'll just love.  

It was reliably reported to me by someone who would definitely know what they are talking about.  

Here goes:

Back during the Vision 2025 Sales Tax Campaign, the top management of the bank directed that a Vote YES sign be INVOLUNTARILY placed in the residential yard of every bank employee residing in Tulsa County.

And, if the employee objected to the bank's usupation of their free speech rights, and did not want the sign placed in their yard, then they could do an EMSA Opt-Out by simply phoning the bank's Human Resources department to have their name taken down.

Obviously with the strongly implied threat of retaliation or outright dismissal.....

FACT??

Ain't Democracy Great, in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

Here's a swell little fact that was reported to me by someone who would know what they are talking about.

Back during the Vision 2025 Sales Tax Campaign, the top management of the bank directed that a Vote YES sign be INVOLUNTARILY placed in the residential yard of every bank employee residing in Tulsa County.

And, if the employee objected to the bank's usupation of their free speech rights, and did not want the sign placed in their yard, then they could do an EMSA Opt-Out by simply phoning the bank's Human Resources department to have their name taken down.

Obviously with the strongly implied threat of retaliation or outright dismissal.....

FACT??

Ain't Democracy Great, in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

Which Bank? Let's check this out.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

Here's a swell little fact that was reported to me by someone who would know what they are talking about.

Back during the Vision 2025 Sales Tax Campaign, the top management of the bank directed that a Vote YES sign be INVOLUNTARILY placed in the residential yard of every bank employee residing in Tulsa County.

And, if the employee objected to the bank's usupation of their free speech rights, and did not want the sign placed in their yard, then they could do an EMSA Opt-Out by simply phoning the bank's Human Resources department to have their name taken down.

Obviously with the strongly implied threat of retaliation or outright dismissal.....

FACT??

Ain't Democracy Great, in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

Which Bank? Let's check this out.

Swake:

The addressee if my little missive will know the truth of what I say.

Hold fast for a few minutes to give them a chance to state the obvious that I already know.  

Perhaps that person is actually working a few minutes this afternoon.

I want to hear from that person, of if they too have feet of clay, and are fearful of retaliation, I will eventually end your suspense with an unsurprising revelation.  

Such brazen employee intimidation by bank management, which previously SUCCESSFULLY implied with the "Opt-out" proviso, is fully expected to be used and even expanded upon again by the self-same employer.  

I'm sure that employee will shortly let us know......

[V]

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

Here's a swell little fact that was reported to me by someone who would know what they are talking about.

Back during the Vision 2025 Sales Tax Campaign, the top management of the bank directed that a Vote YES sign be INVOLUNTARILY placed in the residential yard of every bank employee residing in Tulsa County.

And, if the employee objected to the bank's usupation of their free speech rights, and did not want the sign placed in their yard, then they could do an EMSA Opt-Out by simply phoning the bank's Human Resources department to have their name taken down.

Obviously with the strongly implied threat of retaliation or outright dismissal.....

FACT??

Ain't Democracy Great, in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

Which Bank? Let's check this out.

Swake:

The addressee if my little missive will know the truth of what I say.

Hold fast for a few minutes to give them a chance to state the obvious that I already know.  

Perhaps that person is actually working a few minutes this afternoon.

I want to hear from that person, of if they too have feet of clay, and are fearful of retaliation, I will eventually end your suspense with an unsurprising revelation.  

Such brazen employee intimidation by bank management, which previously SUCCESSFULLY implied with the "Opt-out" proviso, is fully expected to be used and even expanded upon again by the self-same employer.  

I'm sure that employee will shortly let us know......

[V]

Both banks employ hundreds of people, BOK thousands. It would be impossible to trace back second hand knowledge like yours of a threat like this to every employee.

I repeat, what Bank.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Friendly Bear... sometimes a little misspelling can make a world of difference. Factually correct arguments will carry a bit more credibility and can be viewed as less emotional in nature.

I am not saying that the city and county, heck public governments is total, should not be good stewards and fiduciaries of public money but, if there is money to be made on public projects then I would rather see that money made locally than shipped out to New York. Besides, there is not near the money to be made as a bond trustee, bond attorney, or bond underwriter as there was a decade ago.

Here's a swell little fact that was reported to me by someone who would know what they are talking about.

Back during the Vision 2025 Sales Tax Campaign, the top management of the bank directed that a Vote YES sign be INVOLUNTARILY placed in the residential yard of every bank employee residing in Tulsa County.

And, if the employee objected to the bank's usupation of their free speech rights, and did not want the sign placed in their yard, then they could do an EMSA Opt-Out by simply phoning the bank's Human Resources department to have their name taken down.

Obviously with the strongly implied threat of retaliation or outright dismissal.....

FACT??

Ain't Democracy Great, in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

Which Bank? Let's check this out.

Swake:

The addressee if my little missive will know the truth of what I say.

Hold fast for a few minutes to give them a chance to state the obvious that I already know.  

Perhaps that person is actually working a few minutes this afternoon.

I want to hear from that person, of if they too have feet of clay, and are fearful of retaliation, I will eventually end your suspense with an unsurprising revelation.  

Such brazen employee intimidation by bank management, which previously SUCCESSFULLY implied with the "Opt-out" proviso, is fully expected to be used and even expanded upon again by the self-same employer.  

I'm sure that employee will shortly let us know......

[V]

Both banks employ hundreds of people, BOK thousands. It would be impossible to trace back second hand knowledge like yours of a threat like this to every employee.

I repeat, what Bank.

Patience, Swake.  Wait for it..............

The ADDRESSEE of my comment, as I indicated earlier, knows the truth of my statement.

If that ADDRESSEE chooses not to respond, eventually, then I will break the suspense and tell which of the TWO banks involved used implied coercion in a patented Banana-Republic-of-Tulsa ploy to force their employees to display Vision 2025 Vote YES yard signs.

Of course, they could have called their Human Resources Department to "Opt-Out" of having a sign.  And their job, too?

Obviously, bank management was trying to artificially simulate a GRASS-ROOTS ground-swell of support for Vision 2025.

THOUSANDS of Vote Yes yard signs in residential yards!

They were EVERYWHERE?

Gee, their neighbors thought "people just like me" must really be getting behind the Vision.......Think I will too!

All correctly placed at least 12 feet from the curb??

Would that matter to the Sign Nazi's who uprooted Vote NO signs minutes after they were planted?

The bigger questions unasked and unanswered:

Which other major Tulsa employers did the exact same thing to their employees as that bank did??

What a bunch of big-hearted Sweeties!  

Oh, they do sooooo love things just the way they are.................

Hmmmmmmh?
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[bokworker]

It wasn't BOk... or more succinctly, I have NEVER felt any coersion by my employer to support any cause that I did not support personally. Does that mean that every employee can say the same thing? Maybe not but there is absolutely no corporate policy that mandates that we do , say, or support anything. Can you say "wrongful termination"?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

It wasn't BOk... or more succinctly, I have NEVER felt any coersion by my employer to support any cause that I did not support personally. Does that mean that every employee can say the same thing? Maybe not but there is absolutely no corporate policy that mandates that we do , say, or support anything. Can you say "wrongful termination"?

Your clever parsing of your answer is nonetheless revealing.

What I stated about your bank management actions was factual.

ALL employees residing in Tulsa County had a Vote YES yard sign involuntarily and without the employees explicit permission placed in their residential yard.  

They could allegedly "Opt-Out" by calling the HR department.

Now, if that an implied threat, or isnt' it??

Whether the employee, like you, agreed with it.
Or, didn't agree with it.  The sign went up.

Isn't that so?

The answer is a simple:  Yes.

[bokworker]

"Clever parsing"? What, you think I am attorney? I don't know how to say it any other way than to tell you that neither I nor any of my co-workers were put in a position to have to answer to management of the bank as to where we stood on the issue or what we would or would not do to support the initiative. Besides, do you really think that we would have soe sort of "sign police" drive around and check such a thing? You are in the wrong woods to dropping this sort of s**t friendly Bear....

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

It wasn't BOk... or more succinctly, I have NEVER felt any coersion by my employer to support any cause that I did not support personally. Does that mean that every employee can say the same thing? Maybe not but there is absolutely no corporate policy that mandates that we do , say, or support anything. Can you say "wrongful termination"?

Wrongful termination?

Not in the Banana Republic of Oklahoma.

There is no such thing.

Maybe you would be invited into your bosses office shortly after your Opt-Out defiance.

"Our new organizational structure for your unit no longer shows a position for you".

"Good-Bye".

[:X]

[bokworker]

Well, I wasn't and have seen my career advance nicely in the interim.... in short, on this issue FB you are dead wrong. No second hand heresay... you are wrong. Thanks for playing.