View from the Left: Hillary, Barack and John

[Hometown]

Anyone who may have read my posts about John Edwards knows that I have been an Edwards supporter.  But after having a chance to see the entire group of Democrat Candidates again I find that I am now leaning towards Clinton.

Edwards' populist tone appeals to me but after hearing his stump speeches before, the populist angle doesn't ring as true as it did four years ago.

I am a life-long Democrat and I want my candidate in the White House.  I want a winner.  Beautiful losers can't help anyone.

Barack is formidable.  It's amazing the way he says just the right thing every time he opens his mouth.  But for my taste, he is too much of an unknown.  I'm not in the mood to take chances.

I have taken a new look at Hillary and it looks to me like Clinton and her team are going to take the White House.  She faces a divided Republican Party that can't get past Reagan nostalgia.

I believe Clinton will win my party's nomination, after Edwards gives her a good fight and makes her earn it.  I think the real race now is for the vice-presidency.

Clinton has been running for President for years now and she has assembled the team and the slow, deliberate strategy that will take her there.  Her spin, even in this early low key phase, is the best of all the candidates.

I would be very comfortable with the Clinton team back in the White House.  I made considerable gains during Bill Clinton's presidency and I personally don't have a problem with peace and prosperity.

And I have to say that in the history of American politics there is nothing that can quite rival the amazing story of Bill Clinton leaving the White House only to see his wife return as president, eight years later.  What a story.

I would especially like to hear what other Democrats are thinking but I'm not sure there are many Democrats hanging out at TulsaNow these days, so I can't do anything to stop you Republicans from opining.  And let's hear from the Independents too.

[Ibanez]

Hillary has only a slightly better chance of winning the White House than I do.

[Hometown]

If you're a southern governor you might have a shot at the vice presidency.

[cannon_fodder]

I do not like Hillary's socialist economic agenda, her plans for universal health care, her lack of a solid record in the Senate, nor her inexperience.   The primary dot on her resume is "Husband Was Once Husband."  Seriously, would anyone in New York have elected a woman who lived there for 5 days if that wasn't the primary reason?  And that bothers me.

I think she is a very intelligent and hard working woman, but I do not like her platform nor do I think she is qualified to run a country.  Same basic summary for Obama.

[waterboy]

I am still an Edwards fan because he represents so much of what America says it wants to be and he is closer to the next generations than Clinton. However, Clinton is acceptable. I love her socialist economic agenda, her plans for universal health care, her lack of a solid record in the Senate (how many experienced Senators ever won the office? One?), and her hands on experience. She seems the most qualified having been more than an observer during her husbands two terms.

That being said, she will have a tumultous term since she is held in about the same esteem by Republicans as we hold Bush or any of their leaders.

[RecycleMichael]

I am an Edwards fan.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/chapter/420

[Breadburner]

Edwards is an idiot at best.....

[Conan71]

Keep in mind there was a Republican controlled house and senate which did have something to do with Clinton's success.

I think Bush II's legacy would be a lot better if he'd have had opposition in Congress instead of a rubber stamp.  It was what, five years before he vetoed a single bill?

I still like Richardson.  He's a second tier candidate because everyone wants a rock star.  The three front runners have 7 or less years senate experience apiece.  Richardson has been a Congressman, Secretary of Energy, UN Ambassador, successful Governor, 1/2 Hispanic.  IMO, he's the most seasoned candidate out of the GOP and Dems.  

Only two things I don't like about him is he thinks he could bring all troops home now (pipe dream) and he thinks the solution to the border is more border patrol instead of a fence or wall.

Whomever wins the nominatin should give him a serious look for veep.  

I liked Edwards when I first started reading about him in late '03.  But I've come to the conclusion Edwards is the walking definition of disingenuous.

I can already picture the Hillary White House: huge tax increases, socialized healthcare, the economy tanks after two years, healthcare will become an even bigger cluster-f*** and it will all be blamed on Bush's failed economic policies...ghack!

Hillary is too much of a b!tch on wheels to win the general election.  Even independents can't stand her.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Edwards is an idiot at best.....

Now there's a seriously contemplative response.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Edwards is an idiot at best.....

Now there's a seriously contemplative response.

Don't you have a boat to work on?[]

Good to see you, WB.

[Breadburner]

He was a trial lawyer (personal injury) then politician....No Thanks......

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown



I would especially like to hear what other Democrats are thinking but I'm not sure there are many Democrats hanging out at TulsaNow these days, so I can't do anything to stop you Republicans from opining.  And let's hear from the Independents too.

I'm a Democrat-though for me, I think a Clinton-Edwards ticket, or a Richardson-Edwards ticket would be what this party needs.

[cannon_fodder]

- Hillary was an attorney and then went into politics... the only difference is she wasn't successful as an attorney and was only so in politics because of her husband.  That makes her a better choice how?  Family earned some $50,000,000.00 since being elected to the Senate.

Edwards - successful attorney then politician.  Billionaire.

Kerry - attorney then politician, billionaire.

Biden - Attorney for 4 years, then politician.

Dodd - peace corps, then attorney for 3 years, then politician.

Kucinich - career politician, whack job.

Barrack - 5 years for non-profits, then 13 years as an attorney (some teaching law), then politician.

Richardson - Masters in legal studies, career politician.


If you are looking for a democratic candidate that is not an attorney or career politician, dream on.  They are ALL attorney's with the exception of Richardson, who has a Master's in legal studies (attorney light) and is a career politician.  Obama has the most public sector actual WORK, but most of that was at a law school (hey, that's not really work).

I see real problems on the democratic ticket, and I am one of the much sought after "independents." Mostly, they are all cut from the same mold.  The letter in front of your name means nothing - show me fiscal conservatism, a fairly liberal social agenda, a good resume for leadership, and a decent human being and I'm on board.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

He was a trial lawyer (personal injury) then politician....No Thanks......

Hmmm, Lionel Hutz '08.

[waterboy]

Going to be hard to find a candidate without a law degree. I agree CF they can be quite irritating but not necessarily only Democratic. If you're independent I guess I'm Bolshevik. Go looking for that profile of a candidate that pleases your needs CF and then run him for pope.

Be realistic. If any of the droopy boobs pretending to be candidates on the Republican ticket are elected the message is sent that incompetence and the trashing of hard fought freedoms is justified because the Dems just didn't measure up. So 4 more years of the same crap. If thats independent, I'm sure the repugs will allow you to register as such, even if you're poor and minority. We desperately need leadership change IMO away from idealogues and towards effective managers who will protect us from idealogues. Really, Mayor Kathy is that kind of manager. (don't  know her...suspect she is closet repub too, but she manages).

My boat consumes me and I make little progress Conan, but its a nice distraction. I really just wanted to comment on the river stuff but you guys needed some enlightening.[]