New hotel planned

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

That article says it will be the first Starwood property in Tulsa- isn't there a Sheraton on 41st & the freeway?

I know there used to be at least 2 Sheratons in Tulsa along with a Westin, so technically it isn't the first.

the 41st location sold out to radison.

[azbadpuppy]

That location will work fine. It's all about getting corporate accounts and large group bookings in the hotel biz, especially with a corporate giant like Starwood. The 'brand' may be trying to cash in on the hip, boutique style of hotel but really it is just a modern Sheraton. If the area has enough industry to support more hotel rooms, which it does, then the location makes perfect sense.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i see the 71st st area eventually morphing into something like the Galleria in Houston...sans skyscrapers of course.  i think this new hotel feels the same way.

LOL   and sans the Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom, dozens of designer boutiques, multiple luxury hotels and 4-5 star restaurants... Other than that...

[Kenosha]

I agree about the need for an upscale midtown hotel.  That being said, I will gladly let Mr. Patel develop his hotels out south.  Why, you ask?

Simple. He is c...h...e...a...p.

I promise you, this guy doesn't have anything in mind for the greater good of Tulsa.  He is simply trying to make money.  Not that there is anything wrong with making money, but IMO, developing in Midtown requires vision and creativity, qualities that don't exist in the Patel hotel business.

Trust me on this one.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

I agree about the need for an upscale midtown hotel.  That being said, I will gladly let Mr. Patel develop his hotels out south.  Why, you ask?

Simple. He is c...h...e...a...p.

I promise you, this guy doesn't have anything in mind for the greater good of Tulsa.  He is simply trying to make money.  Not that there is anything wrong with making money, but IMO, developing in Midtown requires vision and creativity, qualities that don't exist in the Patel hotel business.

Trust me on this one.

Patel Hotel... say that five times fast.

[cannon_fodder]

Tulsa NEEDS a hotel in midtown.  I can not believe there is not a market demand for a hotel either near TU or Expo (I know there is one hotel near expo, but unless you are really just wanting a bed to sleep in it doesn't count).   There isn't a hotel near Cherry Street or Brookside either.  

TU - you are guaranteed business from every visiting team in Tennis, Track, Soccer, Mens basketball, women's basketball,  volleyball, softball, and football if you contract right.  Not to mention any fans that come to town for the game. Then you are guaranteed some guests for campus visits, orientation, move in days, move out days, and graduations.  Don't forget about conventions, lectures, and performances at TU.  Then you have the surrounding area and proximity to the airport and downtown.

bar districts - well a lot of people like to go out when they are in town and its often a good idea to stay nearby.  Often on a business trip the hotel nearest the bars gets the nod if its a Wed.-Friday trip.  Or bachelor parties, or whatever.  

Expo seems self explanatory.

Most people stay at a hotel because of the location.  They want a nice hotel in XYZ price range near THIS location.  If I'm in town for a convention downtown I'm not staying at 71st because they have a 'w' hotel.   I think most people consider location first.

And dont we "NEED" two more hotels downtown.  Isn't that why we tore town the Tower Apartments and want to raise city hall?

[TheArtist]

I would actually be interested in asking the Patels why they don't build something downtown. They are in the business and might have some interesting insight. Could it be that a hotel where the towerview was wouldnt make money? Do they not have faith that they can make money downtown? Btw I dont think Patels hotels are any cheaper than most of the other ones of the same brand and in similar markets. I believe they could have pulled off a development like the HH people were proposing if they wanted to or if they thought it would make them money.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i see the 71st st area eventually morphing into something like the Galleria in Houston...sans skyscrapers of course.  i think this new hotel feels the same way.

LOL   and sans the Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom, dozens of designer boutiques, multiple luxury hotels and 4-5 star restaurants... Other than that...

i said EVENTUALLY crank smoker.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i see the 71st st area eventually morphing into something like the Galleria in Houston...sans skyscrapers of course.  i think this new hotel feels the same way.

LOL   and sans the Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom, dozens of designer boutiques, multiple luxury hotels and 4-5 star restaurants... Other than that...

i said EVENTUALLY crank smoker.

eventually- like 100 years? or eventually- like never?

other than the fact that they are both retail areas the "morphing into something like" ends there.

[sgrizzle]

I gotta agree. The big box layout will keep 71st from becoming the galleria. Also note that a lot of people in DFW are now shopping in Frisco now which is like 71st on crack.

Unless they ever build a 66th St or a highway-style interchange at 71st&169 it couldn't handle the traffic anyway.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

I agree about the need for an upscale midtown hotel.  That being said, I will gladly let Mr. Patel develop his hotels out south.  Why, you ask?

Simple. He is c...h...e...a...p.

I promise you, this guy doesn't have anything in mind for the greater good of Tulsa.  He is simply trying to make money.  Not that there is anything wrong with making money, but IMO, developing in Midtown requires vision and creativity, qualities that don't exist in the Patel hotel business.

Trust me on this one.

bwaahahahahahaha....i'm laughing my donkey off at how GREEN all the midtowners are.  I'm sure you went to the aloft site and busted a nut at how swank this place looks....now you have to go cry in your beer at some brookside bar.  i GUARANTEE if Patel was putting this in Brookside or downtown you all would be saying that this is the best thing to ever come to Tulsa.

[TheArtist]

Its not a matter of being "green" lol.  It just seems like its a shame its not near a place like Brookside so the people who are likely to go to this hotel wont have to suffer in the desolation that is 71st and then have to go so far to get to mid-town. Whats worse is they could get to Tulsa, go to this hotel and then not realize there even is a mid-town and get a really bad impression of Tulsa because of where they are at.


But, I actually think the 71st area has potential.  Was at one of the new Comprehensive Plan brainstorm meetings and people were mentioning ideas about how to get areas like that to infill and mature into more mixed use, walkable areas.  If there were certain regulations and zoning codes put in place to say, organize parking lots and open access routes between developments when they remodel or rebuild, allow living above stores, even take away the height restrictions around the mall area for more density, etc. (bet many of you didnt know that its illegal to have buildings over a certain height, Dilliards was fined because its addition to its Woodland store went 1 foot over the height limit)  That area cant be like those areas in Houston or Dallas because its illegal to build highrise living, hotels, and such around 71st and Memorial. With the proper foresight worked into the new Comprehensive Plan that area could be nudged over time into becoming quite nice.

[inteller]

riiiiiiigght......[}:)]

have you ever given thought that maybe not everyone who comes to tulsa wants to go to a place like brookside?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

riiiiiiigght......[}:)]

have you ever given thought that maybe not everyone who comes to tulsa wants to go to a place like brookside?

Where would you rather go? Regal Plaza? Woodland Hills Mall?

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

riiiiiiigght......[}:)]

have you ever given thought that maybe not everyone who comes to tulsa wants to go to a place like brookside?

No doubt, a lot of people who visit don't want to go somewhere where they have to wait for a table, be surrounded by loud, pretty, young people, and overpay for an entree.  But I know that's the audience Starwood's W Hotels caters to, and I assume it's the same demographic this new line is chasing.