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[karenroach]

How many years do we have to wait?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by karenroach

How many years do we have to wait?

Not that many if another republican president is elected.[]

Look, I'm thinking you guys are paying too much for your lots. Consider some areas that are underpriced considering the improvements planned and convenience. Anything between 6th street and 13th street from Lewis to Peoria. With the addition of some interconnected lakes being planned, situated between two expressways and mere minutes from downtown it should be a no brainer. Thats why the development at Central Park at 6th & Peoria. You would be welcomed there too. City would probably go on vacation while you razed those homes.

We took chances when I bought into this old hood. Realtors told me it could go either way. Same thing people in Brady and other cool sites are always told. But its a good gamble, especially if you plan to build walls around your castles.[]

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by karenroach

I want a McMansion!!  I don't want a smelly old house!!  I want an up to date one and so do most of my friends!! Do the people in Mid Town realize that their property values have gone up since these new houses have sold.  If everything stays the same, and there are restrictions put on housing in Midtown, I think the property values will eventually go down and people will move south!!  No one wants to live in the Historic District now because of the restrictions!!  Come on Tulsa--get with it!![]

                                                I just realized another added benefit of an HP zoned neighborhood. Not only does it keep out the lot cramming, out of scale, out of character, disharmonious, dystopian, scrap and rape McMansions, it keeps the shallow, self-centered, people who occupy them out too. Bonus.

[razncain]

As usual, Double A, I'm with you 110%!

[TheArtist]

Yes there are some homes in historic neighborhoods that I wouldnt shed a tear for if they were torn down. Some of them just built. But I would hope that what replaces it "matches" the nieghborhood or even improves it.

I decided to use the word "Matches" rather than, fits in, to try and make this point.  I have seen some Mc Mansions that work wonderfully, some that look terrible. But we use the term Mc Mansion a bit too loosely it seems. Is it just a new large home? Or a cheaply built new large home? Or is it the style and size?

As some have pointed out on here, its the mixture of styles that can make a neighborhood beautiful and interesting. But wouldnt a Mc Mansion be just another type within that mix?

As a muralist who workes with a lot of decorators and who often gives some minor decorating advice, I am familiar with how to make things "match".  Things can match through color, scale, style, time period, and here is one you may have not thought about... match through quality or, artistic quality. Example... A Louis the IV table with a Picasso or Monet over it. Looks great, "matches" wonderfully. Not at all the same style or color, but matches through quality. And you must of course pay attention to scale. You wouldnt put a 10'wide painting over a 3' wide table no matter what the quality, colors, etc.

A Westhope next to a well built Tudor and Italian Villa styled home in an older neighborhood works in the same way.

The scale, and quality of the homes match.

 A new large home that is designed properly can easily fit in with its neighbors. Ambiguous, blanket statements of "no new large homes" or "no more Mc Mansions"  (unless everyone agrees exactly on what that means) isn't going to solve the problem.

[mac]

quote: MAC
Did you see Pfox's correction on paint? It looks like we were both ignorantre: HP. I stand to be corrected. So, do you.
Rose

Rose-
I stand by my statement and challenge you and pfox to show me where in the design guidelines of any historic district it deals with paint color on masonary or stucco surfaces.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by Rose

I know.  Preserve Midtown is just trying to raise mass hysteria by sending out information that is not true.  It's always the same people doing the complaining and jumping into other people's business.  They NEED a cause.  

There aren't any houses built right up on the curb.  Developers are required to follow current zoning.  The house they show isn't in Tulsa either.  It's misleading.

I read the list of people who signed the petition and was surprised to see the names of a few smart people.

Would anyone behind Preserve Midtown care to prove Rose wrong and tell us where houses have been built right up to the curb?

[ChrisHalliwell]

The June 15th blog entry was about "conservation districting" efforts in cities other than Tulsa, like in Atlanta and Dallas. The house in question is in Dallas. I did not edit that article very well; my unpublished first draft put the photo in better context. I have added a correction.

[booWorld]

As of 6:00am this morning, the third sentence of Preserve Midtown's home page states that developers are building houses right up to the curb.

I have a very simple question which is yet to be answered:  Exactly where in Midtown Tulsa have developers built houses right up to the curb?  I'd like to see those houses for myself.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by ChrisHalliwell

The June 15th blog entry was about "conservation districting" efforts in cities other than Tulsa, like in Atlanta and Dallas. The house in question is in Dallas. I did not edit that article very well; my unpublished first draft put the photo in better context. I have added a correction.

I read the update this morning.  It states that bad infill is not unique to Tulsa.  Exactly where, in Midtown Tulsa, are examples of bad infill (in your own opinion)?  Photos?  Addresses?

[pmcalk]

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.  

If you drive through North Maple Ridge, you can find bad infill from the 70s, before HP protection.  Infill that follows the latest trends may sell for a lot initially.  But when the latest trends fade, your left with obviously out of place houses that no one wants to buy.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.  

If you drive through North Maple Ridge, you can find bad infill from the 70s, before HP protection.  Infill that follows the latest trends may sell for a lot initially.  But when the latest trends fade, your left with obviously out of place houses that no one wants to buy.

If you are left with out of place houses that no one wants to buy, then the value of those houses will be lowered.  If the prices drop low enough, then the bad infill houses will be candidates for tearing down and replacing with more appropriate infill.

I'll look around 30th and Detroit sometime.  I don't go to that neighborhood often.  I spend nearly all of my time downtown or north of 21st, at least.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.  

If you drive through North Maple Ridge, you can find bad infill from the 70s, before HP protection.  Infill that follows the latest trends may sell for a lot initially.  But when the latest trends fade, your left with obviously out of place houses that no one wants to buy.

If you are left with out of place houses that no one wants to buy, then the value of those houses will be lowered.  If the prices drop low enough, then the bad infill houses will be candidates for tearing down and replacing with more appropriate infill.

That's a pretty self serving construct. And the time period is long. Neighbors have to live next to them for 20 or more years waiting for the trend to die. Then endure the next one. Drive along Cincinnati from 21st to 31st. Several examples on that stretch from the 1960's up to two current McMansion examples which back up to the running path.

Here's a thought. Lets go build some cheap examples of post WWII housing over in Southern Hills. We'll call them...minimalist. Or loft style or we could put some stucco on them and call them Southwest. Everyone wants to live there don't they? Close to a good golf course and other amenities. We should be able to build whatever we want where we want, right? And if they don't hold their value, well, we can tear them out and start the cycle again.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.  

If you drive through North Maple Ridge, you can find bad infill from the 70s, before HP protection.  Infill that follows the latest trends may sell for a lot initially.  But when the latest trends fade, your left with obviously out of place houses that no one wants to buy.

If you are left with out of place houses that no one wants to buy, then the value of those houses will be lowered.  If the prices drop low enough, then the bad infill houses will be candidates for tearing down and replacing with more appropriate infill.

I'll look around 30th and Detroit sometime.  I don't go to that neighborhood often.  I spend nearly all of my time downtown or north of 21st, at least.

True, but in the meantime, the houses often sit empty, because the owner needs to recoup their investment. And if its sold at a loss (just for the value of the land), it brings down the value of the houses surrounding it. From an economic and environmental perspective, doesn't it make more sense to build quality infill in the first place, allowing the house and the neighborhood to continue to increase in value and not filling up our landfills every so often as housing trends change? Its simply the difference between investing in a neighborhood versus making a quick buck.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.  

The problem with that neighborhood is that if you add on or build from scratch, your finished floor has to be above the flood zone line.  It's required by city code.  People still do it, though.  So that gives the houses, which are larger anyway, an even more awkward appearance due to their height.