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[pmcalk]

^That's true, but some have done a better job than others to make even the height fit in.  And even at ground level, some of those houses simply don't fit (the new construction with the turret comes especially to mind).

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

quote:Originally posted by ChrisHalliwell

The June 15th blog entry was about "conservation districting" efforts in cities other than Tulsa, like in Atlanta and Dallas. The house in question is in Dallas. I did not edit that article very well; my unpublished first draft put the photo in better context. I have added a correction.

I read the update this morning.  It states that bad infill is not unique to Tulsa.  Exactly where, in Midtown Tulsa, are examples of bad infill (in your own opinion)?  Photos?  Addresses?

                                            Have you seen any of Metro Lofts infill? Go look at the one they built on Quincy between 15th and the B.A. It dwarfs the other apartment buildings on the block, the setbacks are pushed further towards the street and alley than any other buildings on the street, and the front of their development is not oriented to face the street like every other building on the street. Does that qualify? Not to mention the fact they look like glamorized(think glamor shots) dorms.

[YoungTulsan]

RE: the metro lofts,
If you cannot build upwards, nor you can take up more of the yard/land with your building, doesnt that pretty much mean infill is frowned upon PERIOD?  You can't fit more people on the same amount of land without doing something like that.  I can see your arguement about it not facing the street.  Complaining that something is bigger and taller is pretty much just saying you will not allow infill in the neighborhood though.  Since that area is sandwiched between Cherry Street (a walkable district that needs population density) and a highway (where no one is going to build a regular house these days anyway), I say the bigger the better.

Let me just add, in reference to the thread topic, that I wouldn't support a mammoth loft at 38th and Lewis.  Certain areas though, such as Cherry Street, and Brookside, NEED the infill density near the shops restraunts and bars for the whole walkable urban dense thing to take off.  There are tons of houses between about Rockford and Riverside along the Brookside area that would be better off leveled and turned into loft/apartment space.

[midtownnewbie]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

I don't speak for Preservemidtown, and I am sure you can find bad infill all over town, but IMO you can find a really good example of bad infill by driving down Detroit between 30th & 31st.

I'm curious as to which home (s?) you are referring to.

I drive home this way almost every day.  On that stretch of road, I think there is a GOOD example of infill (the new home that they are installing the rock veneer on), one that is marginal (the one with the basketball court), one that is bad (the one next to the one with the basketball court) and one where they are just getting started on (too early to determine).

If you drive around that immediate area, there are some 1200 sq ft homes across the street from 4000 sq ft homes.  They were all built in the 20's and the 30's but they are completely different sizes.  

Personally, I welcome the new homes as long as they are "nice" new homes and not tract housing.

[booWorld]

Thanks to each who posted examples of what he or she considers to be bad infill.  I will try to look at all examples in Midtown Tulsa cited on this thread.

Now, where are those Midtown houses built right up to the curb?  I'd like to see them, also.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

RE: the metro lofts,
If you cannot build upwards, nor you can take up more of the yard/land with your building, doesnt that pretty much mean infill is frowned upon PERIOD?  You can't fit more people on the same amount of land without doing something like that.  I can see your arguement about it not facing the street.  Complaining that something is bigger and taller is pretty much just saying you will not allow infill in the neighborhood though.  Since that area is sandwiched between Cherry Street (a walkable district that needs population density) and a highway (where no one is going to build a regular house these days anyway), I say the bigger the better.

Let me just add, in reference to the thread topic, that I wouldn't support a mammoth loft at 38th and Lewis.  Certain areas though, such as Cherry Street, and Brookside, NEED the infill density near the shops restraunts and bars for the whole walkable urban dense thing to take off.  There are tons of houses between about Rockford and Riverside along the Brookside area that would be better off leveled and turned into loft/apartment space.

Did you even look at the property before you posted? Considering the fact that there were almost as many units in the housing that their development replaced, your little argument about density is completely off the mark. This development is completely out of scale with the rest of the street. Not to mention the lost green space that these lot cramming scrape and rapes cause. They took out at least three mature trees on the properties on the west side of Quincy. Repeat this scenario across Midtown and   watch the urban heat island get ever larger and hotter.

[Rose]

MAC-
See Historic Preservation District Exemptions Title 42 Zoning and Property Restrictions Chapter 10-A Historic Preservation.  If you still don't get it, why don't you call the Historic Preservation and ask them if you can paint over your brick?  They will tell you it needs approval.

FYI -- PFOX said in one of his entries that he WORKED for the Historic Preservation in Tulsa.  I would think he would know what he was talking about.

I think you need to be more informed before you go out talking to newspapers and T.V. stations.

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by mac

quote: MAC
Did you see Pfox's correction on paint? It looks like we were both ignorantre: HP. I stand to be corrected. So, do you.
Rose

Rose-
I stand by my statement and challenge you and pfox to show me where in the design guidelines of any historic district it deals with paint color on masonary or stucco surfaces.

Sorry Mac.  They are right on this one...in order to paint masonry, you need a COA.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT EXEMPTIONS
City of Tulsa - Title 42 - Zoning and Property Restrictions
CHAPTER 10-A
HISTORIC PRESERVATION
The following items are exempt from H.P. Zoning and do not require a Certificate of
Appropriateness:
1. Ordinary maintenance and repair including:
a. removal, installation, or replacement of guttering.
b. removal or replacement of roof covering with like material.
c. application of paint color to non-masonry surfaces.
Example: This does not force you to paint your house or select a particular color.
2. Interior of the building or structure.
Example: This allows you to remodel the inside of your home any way you
choose.
3. Portions or parts of building, structures, or sites not visible from adjoining streets.
Example: You may add an addition, greenhouse, etc.....to your home without
obtaining a Certificate of Appropriateness providing it is not visible from the
street. (Alleys are not considered streets).
4. Accessory structures or buildings are not covered provided these structures are not
located in the front yard.
Includes: Detached garages but not garage apartments.
Detached carports
Patios
Decks
Storage Sheds
Fencing
Swimming pools
Pool houses
5. Radio or television antenna.
6. Landscape maintenance and planting of new organic materials.
7. Work required for temporary stabilization of a building or structure due to damage, i.e.:
storm damage, fire, flood.
Note: All neighborhoods which adopt H.P. Zoning for their neighborhood can not alter this
ordinance without going to Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission (TMAPC)
and City Council.

[mac]

I believe we were discussing paint COLOR.

Rose said-

quote: I don't want to be told what color my home can be....  

Kenosha, you have just posted the EXCEPTIONS, this is work that does not require a COA.
This means that paint COLOR is not reviewed by the COA process therefore they do not tell you what COLOR you can paint any surface of your house.

Thank you Kenosha for doing the search and illustrating my point.

[Rose]

MAC-
Call HP and ask if you can paint over brick or painted brick with a different color.  Then maybe we can move on to another topic.  You don't know what you are talking about.

HP states that if you paint over brick, you need approval.  If you want to paint over paint (and change the color) you have to get approval.

[pmcalk]

Rose, just to clarify, if your brick house is already painted, you do need a COA, but its granted adminstratively (you don't need the entire board approval).  As far as I know, no one has ever been denied the COA based upon the color they chose.  

Has anyone seen this website:  http://www.destroymidtown.com/?cat=1

I presume its a joke.  I especially like their slogan--Build homes that prove just how rich you are.  I also like "expressing our individuality through bad taste."

[Rose]

MAC-
Non masonry would be wood.  Brick is masonry as is stucco, etc.
Rose

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Rose, just to clarify, if your brick house is already painted, you do need a COA, but its granted adminstratively (you don't need the entire board approval).  As far as I know, no one has ever been denied the COA based upon the color they chose.  

Has anyone seen this website:  http://www.destroymidtown.com/?cat=1

I presume its a joke.  I especially like their slogan--Build homes that prove just how rich you are.  I also like "expressing our individuality through bad taste."

I totally love it! I really got a kick out of it. This should be posted as a new topic so it could go to the top next to the preserve midtown thread(Gotta love that juxtaposition). Check out Tulsa Unprofessionals: http://tulsaunprofessionals.com/ I swear these are not my doing, but I certainly salute whoever is responsible. I luvs the internets.

[booWorld]

I saw one of the Preserve Midtown signs in the right-of-way of 16th Street recently.

The sign was not right up to the curb, but it was closer to the curb than any houses I've seen in Tulsa.  Where are those houses built right up to the curb?  I really want to see them.

[Chris Halliwell]

Before the campaign began, PreserveMidtown consulted with Neighborhood Inspections regarding city rights-of-way. Every yard sign is distributed with a pre-printed Post-It note attached, on which is written: "No closer than 25 feet to the center of the road in a neighborhood - No closer than 35 feet to the center of the road on a main street." A few signs get moved during lawn maintenance, but the vast majority are in compliance.

If you tell me where on 16th street the sign is, I will take care of it.