Tulsa Has Never Faced Truth About 1921 Race Riot

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Swake "At the very least a memorial and center that presents both a public acknowledgment of the riots and the history of the riots. A small stipend to the few remaining survivors would be a welcome gesture as well."

I am sure that building a memorial and hand outs will lift the "black community in Tulsa" into economic prosperity, as well as make those white persons living in Tulsa feel all better because the sins of our great grandparents have been redeemed.
On second thought, spend your own money on this gesture, Swake.

How about a giant fire pit in the middle of Bartlet Square for all these cause seekers to jump into?

We could charge them all 5 bucks and use the money to build a better Tulsa, or at least a parking garage for the new BOK Arena!

......just think of all the possibilities Swake! [8D]

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Swake "At the very least a memorial and center that presents both a public acknowledgment of the riots and the history of the riots. A small stipend to the few remaining survivors would be a welcome gesture as well."

I am sure that building a memorial and hand outs will lift the "black community in Tulsa" into economic prosperity, as well as make those white persons living in Tulsa feel all better because the sins of our great grandparents have been redeemed.
On second thought, spend your own money on this gesture, Swake.

How about a giant fire pit in the middle of Bartlet Square for all these cause seekers to jump into?

We could charge them all 5 bucks and use the money to build a better Tulsa, or at least a parking garage for the new BOK Arena! [8D]

Yikes...

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Swake "At the very least a memorial and center that presents both a public acknowledgment of the riots and the history of the riots. A small stipend to the few remaining survivors would be a welcome gesture as well."

I am sure that building a memorial and hand outs will lift the "black community in Tulsa" into economic prosperity, as well as make those white persons living in Tulsa feel all better because the sins of our great grandparents have been redeemed.
On second thought, spend your own money on this gesture, Swake.

How about a giant fire pit in the middle of Bartlet Square for all these cause seekers to jump into?

We could charge them all 5 bucks and use the money to build a better Tulsa, or at least a parking garage for the new BOK Arena!

......just think of all the possibilities Swake! [8D]

that gets my vote.

[TURobY]

No, it's now talked about extensively in Tulsa schools. It's talked about ad-nauseum. I'm sad that it happened, but we all know and are all ready to move on. That's part of the healing process.

The problem with North Tulsa is the perception of North Tulsa, which isn't improved by the mentality of North Tulsans. Action needs to start in North Tulsa before North Tulsa will be perceived differently.

[CoffeeBean]

In the initial order from Judge Ellison dismissing the case, he correctly recognized that the information necessary to litigate any claims surfaced as far back as the 1960's or 1970's (I forget which).  

That being the case, coupled with the two-year statute of limitations, the notion that survivors' claims are "revived" after the discovery of any and every piece of evidence regarding the race riots would have the untenable result of never having any meaningful limitations period at all.  

Perhaps King Tut's decedents should have a cause of action against the Egyptian government as successor's in interest to the Pharaoh's dynasty based on CT scans performed on the mummified body in 2005 so the Egyptian courts can decide whether the holes in the skull resulted from murder or the embalmers.

It's over.  Move on.

[Breadburner]

jackbristow=HomeTown.....

[waterboy]

Could we have a show of hands? How many of you live north of Admiral and are of black heritage?

btw, changing it to a North/South thing was pretty slick. Just because the riot occurred in North Tulsa doesn't mean it was geographic in nature. Otherwise we should look for West Tulsa to kick the rest of the city's butt pretty soon.

[iplaw]

quote:The problem with North Tulsa is the perception of North Tulsa that people of the same race are offing one another at a record pace.

Fixed that for you.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Could we have a show of hands? How many of you live north of Admiral and are of black heritage?

btw, changing it to a North/South thing was pretty slick. Just because the riot occurred in North Tulsa doesn't mean it was geographic in nature. Otherwise we should look for West Tulsa to kick the rest of the city's butt pretty soon.

Why...because most of the militia minded billy bob's live west of the river?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Could we have a show of hands? How many of you live north of Admiral and are of black heritage?

btw, changing it to a North/South thing was pretty slick. Just because the riot occurred in North Tulsa doesn't mean it was geographic in nature. Otherwise we should look for West Tulsa to kick the rest of the city's butt pretty soon.

Why...because most of the militia minded billy bob's live west of the river?

No, those guys are mostly around Keystone, Osage county, Creek county and Inola. Because, like a mushroom, its kept in the dark, largely ignored until ready to be consumed. Then its scrubbed up, sliced up, sauteed and served with dinner.[]

[iplaw]

Mmmmm....Redneck...it's what's for dinner.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Swake "At the very least a memorial and center that presents both a public acknowledgment of the riots and the history of the riots. A small stipend to the few remaining survivors would be a welcome gesture as well."

I am sure that building a memorial and hand outs will lift the "black community in Tulsa" into economic prosperity, as well as make those white persons living in Tulsa feel all better because the sins of our great grandparents have been redeemed.
On second thought, spend your own money on this gesture, Swake.

When the most respected black historian in entire United States says we have not done enough, we should listen.

When that man also happens to be from Tulsa, is a Booker T Washington High School graduate that was raised in the community impacted by the riot. We should listen very carefully.

A memorial and history center is a public acknowledgement of the event. Why are you so offended by in the suggestion that we should embrace all of our history, good and bad? There is no need for blame any longer, but there is need to stop hiding from the past.

We have a memorial to the victims of the Murrah building, and that memorial is important, very important to the survivors and to Oklahoma City. It was an important part of the healing process for Oklahoma City.

The Race riot was a massive tragedy on a completely different scale than the Murrah building. Dozens, maybe hundreds dead, we don't know and really have not done much to try to find out. Many thousands left homeless and jobless. An entire section of the city leveled not by some natural tragedy, but by hate. And there is nothing to even mark that it happened, just an empty field next to a highway.

[Conan71]

I have a capital idea:

Let's give black Tulsan's sovereign land rights on an area like a reservation, build them a monument, casino, hotel, and golf course and let them get even with the white man by ripping him off one pull at a time on the slot machines.

[jackbristow]

Wow.  Nevermind.  You guys are obviously very cynical and small minded and would prefer for this tragedy to just remain swept under the rug and ignored.  I get it.  

For those who lived through this event though, their story deserves to be told and they deserve more than to be forgotten and ignored.  

You people are cold, cynical, heartless and selfish.  That is the impression you have given.

[jne]

I agree that we should do all we can to keep the story from being lost.  I also agree that its time to move on.  I grew up in Oklahoma and lived in Tulsa a year as an adult before I had even heard of the riots.  I hear a similar response from most of my cohort.  The riots were not all that long ago and North Tulsa is still suffering.  I think the city should help to start a foundation and commit a little of our improvement funds (hopefully encouraging donations with events at the Jazz Depot and such) that could be focused on improving the North Tulsa community, with a focus on the Greenwood district.  We can't keep letting it haunt us, but it isn't going to just go away.  We need to act decent and do something positive to acknowledge what happened.