Bates Freaks Out at River Presentation

[tim huntzinger]

People, if i am lying i am dying.  Call it a tantrum or call a waaaambulance, if any reporter had done anything remotely similar to that they would have been fired.  If anyone had done anything remotely - say 15% as 'passionate' - in front of Cheney or Inhofe, well that person would be paying a bondsman right about now.

But see that would be picking on men, and for the second time in a week the objects of the attack were womenfolk (and one really little guy up front).  And to characterize the level of discource demonstrated as 'passionate,' and to suggest Miller presented herself in any manner as our Hero did, is really . . . interesting.

Anyway, I entered the cafeteria from the north entrance, and there was a trailer there with its 'black water' in a pipe.  Do you know what was pouring from that pipe - and if I am lying I am dying - HUMAN FECES!  Yards away from the kitchen.  On the way in I quietly told one of the nice facilities people about it, but decided I would be a gentleman and not ask if our Commissioner and Mayor knew about it during the Q&A . . .

Anyhoo, KOTV has the last lil' bit of the spasm on their report  . . .

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

People, if i am lying i am dying.  Call it a tantrum or call a waaaambulance, if any reporter had done anything remotely similar to that they would have been fired.  If anyone had done anything remotely - say 15% as 'passionate' - in front of Cheney or Inhofe, well that person would be paying a bondsman right about now.

But see that would be picking on men, and for the second time in a week the objects of the attack were womenfolk (and one really little guy up front).  And to characterize the level of discource demonstrated as 'passionate,' and to suggest Miller presented herself in any manner as our Hero did, is really . . . interesting.

Anyway, I entered the cafeteria from the north entrance, and there was a trailer there with its 'black water' in a pipe.  Do you know what was pouring from that pipe - and if I am lying I am dying - HUMAN FECES!  Yards away from the kitchen.  On the way in I quietly told one of the nice facilities people about it, but decided I would be a gentleman and not ask if our Commissioner and Mayor knew about it during the Q&A . . .

Anyhoo, KOTV has the last lil' bit of the spasm on their report  . . .

Wow, just plain wow.

[tim huntzinger]

People, if i am lying i am dying.  Call it a tantrum or call a waaaambulance, if any reporter had done anything remotely similar to that they would have been fired.  If anyone had done anything remotely - say 15% as 'passionate' - in front of Cheney or Inhofe, well that person would be paying a bondsman right about now.

But see that would be picking on men, and for the second time in a week the objects of the attack were womenfolk (and one really little guy up front).  And to characterize the level of discource demonstrated as 'passionate,' and to suggest Miller presented herself in any manner as our Hero did, is really . . . interesting.

Tell you what, if I were an ally I certainly would have stood and said something to distract Bates, give him a breather.  This is why certain religious orders only travel in pairs - harder to argue with and the circular argument is maddening.

Anyway, I entered the cafeteria from the north entrance, and there was a trailer there with its 'black water' in a pipe.  Do you know what was pouring from that pipe - and if I am lying I am dying - HUMAN FECES!  Yards away from the kitchen.  On the way in I quietly told one of the nice facilities people about it, but decided I would be a gentleman and not ask if our Commissioner and Mayor knew about it during the Q&A . . .

Anyhoo, KOTV has the last lil' bit of the spasm on their report  . . .

[sgrizzle]

From the video clip, I'd say it is a bit more than "raising one's voice."

Anyone going to one of the Perry meetings? I'll bring a video camera.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

From the video clip, I'd say it is a bit more than "raising one's voice."

Anyone going to one of the Perry meetings? I'll bring a video camera.

He looked a little intimidating. No, threatening. Who was it that yelled at him to sit down?

[RecycleMichael]

It was just another citizen in the room who said "sit down".

I really wouldn't describe the entire conversation between Michael Bates as freaked or intimidating. He was loud and insistent on making his point, but was not threatening.

Maybe my interpretation is understated, but I have been to many a public hearing that went bad. I have attended meetings in north Tulsa with police and school officials and in east Tulsa discussing flood control that would make this meeting look like a group hug.

This was just one guy arguing loudly for a couple of minutes in a two hour meeting.

[tim huntzinger]

Sure, RM.  You ought to at least give Lady Kathy some credit for standing up to the bully, instead of insinuating that Miller freaked out as bad as our Hero.  I at least gave the boy credit for only escalating to that point, your description would entail he shouted like that for two minutes.

Like I said, if I were any kind of friend to Bates at all, any kind of advocate, ally, or associate I would have stepped in about thirty seconds before that teeny tiny clip.  As it was, they let him humiliate himself.

Despite his assertions, I have never behaved that way in a public meeting.

[RecycleMichael]

The Mayor did quite well. She stood up and asked everybody to be respectful then asked Michael Bates to show her some documents that he had been referring to.

I know that Tim Hutzinger and Michael Bates have some negative history with each other.

It must be some sort of blogger battle.

http://www.batesline.com/
http://www.thetulsan.com/

[tim huntzinger]

She said about yelling, Michael.  Randi Miller did not yell.  You insinuated that Miller was as equally 'passionate' as when in fact it was Lady Kathy who had to stand up and get on up in his grill.  If that other dude did not tell him to cool it I was ready to redirect (as I did when that clown was babbling on about the GOP platform).

I remember when PJ Lassek was giving a peanut's gallery hoo-rah in some City meeting or another, basically cheering Susan Neal on as she had to smack back Medlock.  Ooooooohhhh that was BIG in them circles, proof positive that the EVILLLLL LIBRUL was out to get 'em.

The Mayor and Commissioner made get an apology only because the Caffeinated One made himself look bad.  Where do Primeaux, Miller, or LaFortune go to get their apologies for his vicious attacks on them?

[tim huntzinger]

She said about yelling, Michael.  Randi Miller did not yell.  You insinuated that Miller was as equally 'passionate' as when in fact it was Lady Kathy who had to stand up and get on up in his grill.  If that other dude did not tell him to cool it I was ready to redirect (as I did when that clown was babbling on about the GOP platform).

I remember when PJ Lassek was giving a peanut's gallery hoo-rah in some City meeting or another, basically cheering Susan Neal on as she had to smack back Medlock.  Ooooooohhhh that was BIG in them circles, proof positive that the EVILLLLL LIBRUL was out to get 'em.

The Mayor and Commissioner made get an apology only because the Caffeinated One made himself look bad.  Where do Primeaux, Miller, or LaFortune go to get their apologies for his vicious attacks on them?  Oh. I must have been imagining that, too.

The website is much more than a blog, RM, and I know you only call it that to hurt me.  It is okay. I can take it. []

[rwarn17588]

Having seen the video, yeah, I'd say that would fit the description of "intemperate."

Whoever loses their cool first loses the argument.

[Kenosha]

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  In fact, the money that that Vision $$ was supposed to match was removed from the 2007 WRDA bill after Inhofe lost his chairmanship of the Committee on the Environment and Public Works. Although I suspect that had less to do with it than with Dr. Coburn's one man crusade on earmarks.

Thank you, good Doctor.  You can now go back to shooting illegal immigrants in the back.

[Kenosha]

I will weigh in on the original subject which was Mr. Bates' freakout:

I saw it on Channel Six...Good god, did he look foolish.

Of course, no one should be too surprised that Michael Bates needed to be the center of attention, and would somehow make a circus out of it.  A similar technique his buddy Medlock employed while on the City Council.  Interesting strategery.  As RM said, Channel 6 also interviewed Dan Hicks, Mr. Zoo Creation exhibit himself. Yowza.

If those two are the face of the "No" vote, count me in as a "Yes".  Nevermind that it is the right thing to do.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  In fact, the money that that Vision $$ was supposed to match was removed from the 2007 WRDA bill after Inhofe lost his chairmanship of the Committee on the Environment and Public Works. Although I suspect that had less to do with it than with Dr. Coburn's one man crusade on earmarks.

Thank you, good Doctor.  You can now go back to shooting illegal immigrants in the back.

I don't think anyone does, including Bates. That is also not to the root, nor the point Mr. Bates was trying to make.

That being:

1.) The County promised construction of two low water dams and whatever revisions were required to the Zink Lake dam, even if Federal Matching Funds failed to materialize. They pledged all projects of Vision2025 would be funded to whatever level was necessary with anticipated excess collections of Sales Tax proceeds before any new projects were considered.

and,

2.) Sales Tax revenue expectations are well above original estimates such that this funding can be quite easily attained.


I'm sure Mr. Bates would have prefered another way of stressing this point, but he is correct.


Personally, I'm against this plan for two other reasons:

1.) It's a County initiative, whereby all Authority (in fact, a NEW Authority) is passed from the City to the County. Tulsans should decide what to do on Tulsa's part of the river.

2.) It's a County SALES TAX. I'm opposed to any Sales Tax for the County again, ever. Cities need Sales Tax and any provided the County only reduces the margin available to the City for things like cops, streets, pools, etc.

On top of all that, we've now learned this will pass jurisdictional control of the South Yale Bridge project to the County, which I also oppose.

[YoungTulsan]

I would like to take this oppurtunity to state the Republicans are bad.  Let's act like this is some sort of trend, and say that "People everywhere" are talking about Michael Bates and his "incident" at the River Tax meeting.  Passion is a bad thing, at least when you are a Republican.  Also, the economy is in the toilet thanks to George Bush.  Tax revenue is at a record high thanks to the tax cuts, but screw that, let's repeal the tax cuts for those lousy rich people who are only gettings a "larger tax cut" due to the relativity of them making so much more.  We have to make sure everyone knows they are getting a "bigger tax cut" even though the percentage is the same across the board.  They only get a "bigger" cut because they MAKE more.  And of course, it is not fair for anyone to make more than anyone else, right?  Because we live in the USSR right?  It is only fair for everyone to make the same amount of money right?  Even if one person has no motivation, and the other person is overwhelmingly competent in his field and a genius to boot?  Clearly.  The discrepancy in income couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with PERFORMANCE could it?  Yes, screw those lowsy Republicans who question the expansion of government revenue.  To HELL with those crazy souls who think current projected revenues could more than easily take care of the tasks that proposed tax increases claim to be a requirement for.  Projected revenues that didn't even take into account inflation.  So while our revenues are matching or even exceeding the costs associated with the promised projected of the plan, due to inflation...  We must of course recognize that any river development must have access to artists, and full recognizance to the fact that women need to have free abortions, and anyone who so dare sees fit will be able to have a sex change operation paid in full by the river tax commission, because it is your god given choice to cut your peter off and act like someone you are not because you grew up watching Will and Grace.