Bates Freaks Out at River Presentation

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger
The website is much more than a blog, RM, and I know you only call it that to hurt me.  It is okay. I can take it. []

I am a big fan of your website. I check it almost everyday and I love your panoramic pictures.

I didn't mean to offend you by calling it a blog. I didn't realize that was an insult.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

I would like to take this oppurtunity to state the Republicans are bad.  Let's act like this is some sort of trend, and say that "People everywhere" are talking about Michael Bates and his "incident" at the River Tax meeting.  Passion is a bad thing, at least when you are a Republican.  Also, the economy is in the toilet thanks to George Bush.  Tax revenue is at a record high thanks to the tax cuts, but screw that, let's repeal the tax cuts for those lousy rich people who are only gettings a "larger tax cut" due to the relativity of them making so much more.  We have to make sure everyone knows they are getting a "bigger tax cut" even though the percentage is the same across the board.  They only get a "bigger" cut because they MAKE more.  And of course, it is not fair for anyone to make more than anyone else, right?  Because we live in the USSR right?  It is only fair for everyone to make the same amount of money right?  Even if one person has no motivation, and the other person is overwhelmingly competent in his field and a genius to boot?  Clearly.  The discrepancy in income couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with PERFORMANCE could it?  Yes, screw those lowsy Republicans who question the expansion of government revenue.  To HELL with those crazy souls who think current projected revenues could more than easily take care of the tasks that proposed tax increases claim to be a requirement for.  Projected revenues that didn't even take into account inflation.  So while our revenues are matching or even exceeding the costs associated with the promised projected of the plan, due to inflation...  We must of course recognize that any river development must have access to artists, and full recognizance to the fact that women need to have free abortions, and anyone who so dare sees fit will be able to have a sex change operation paid in full by the river tax commission, because it is your god given choice to cut your peter off and act like someone you are not because you grew up watching Will and Grace.

Wha??? Okay, I agree that people seem to be ambivalent about passion and thinkers. They are more often lambasted than appreciated. If you think too much, see all sides of an argument and attempt to sort out the issues, well...you're indecisive, weak and a flip-flopper.

If you immerse yourself into a cause, learning as much as you can about it and attempt to stand up for what you believe is right, just and correct, well...you're a yelling, screaming, fanatic that is out of touch.

Its all part of an emphasis on conformity within popularly defined boundaries. To me watching Parliament joust with the PM is fun and worthwhile, but here its bizarre behavior.

I'm guilty of it too. I may soon change my mind on support of this plan simply because I don't want to be seen as in the company of Hicks, et al. On the other hand filling a river with water and making little provision for boat usage is like building a highway with no on ramps. Like the rest of life, screwed...blued...tattooed.

[tulsacyclist]

Good job, Michael.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  

You might be surprised what people thought. Shortly after my business went belly up in 2005, I found myself selling ad space for a now defunct news-weekly (I can sure pick 'em).  Making sales calls to small businesses gives you access to what is usually a little more informed populace. Let me relate to you what merchants at River Walk in Jenks thought just two years after V2025 had been passed.

They thought that construction on the low water dam was eminent. Many of them were barely holding on (some didn't) and were doing so because they figured the dam would save them. Remember, the engineering studies weren't even completed, only the locations had been decided. These people thought that the dams would cost around  3million apiece and would take less than a year from that date to be up and running. I gently suggested that if they had brought in bulldozers that day, that it would be two years before finishing touches with a cost closer to 12 million.  Nothing I said made a dent on them. They had obviously been informed by management or local officials that this was all about to happen and they wanted to believe.  People may be too embarrassed to admit what seemed the truth back then.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

To an astonished group of curious Tulsans attending the River Vision question and answer session Sunday, a red-faced foam-flecked mouthed Michael Bates needed to be calmed down following a bizarre outburst.

Unsatisfied with the panel's answer to a question, Bates escalated rapidly, standing just yards from the presenters and screaming.  Hands still shaking from a caffeine rush of Cherry Coke, the blogger rushed the table demanding answers.  Eventually, Lady Kathy needed to sit next to Mikey to calm him down.

Whether or not sometime Tulsanow lurker DSchutler will post his video of the embarassing freakout is yet to be seen.

The audience was tipped slightly in favor of the Visioneers.  Dan Hicks was back with hand-crayoled signs, accompanied by some pot-bellied chicken-legged dude who paced around the whole time.

Who cares....At least he nutted up and said something......You are a troll at best....

[Wrinkle]

Well, in any case, it's time for the County to directly address this issue, before any attempt to pass on a new attempt to pay for dams again.

The River Tax should be tabled until those questions are resolved.

Frankly, there doesn't seem to be any real question, the dams were in fact included in Vision2025.

[tim huntzinger]

H20, I think you are right. The impression was that the dams were next up. It seemed the next logical step and were there not drarings of kayakers and what not down to Jenks?  In that direction, I certainly agree that the dams should be the single highest priority.  Shame it was not done when there was zero flow, huh?

Also, DSchutler has decided to help out his friend MBates and edit the truth severely cutting out the freak-out KOTV aired, and certainly not including the screaming at the end about taxes or promises (which I suppose I will now have to download from my videophone.)  His finale was nothing less than a full-fledged tantrum.

And if anyone were interested, at 0900 this AM the filth-spewing trailer at the Fairgrounds was gone.  But if one hurries, one may still catch about a cup full of poop near the 'black water' drain . . .

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  

You might be surprised what people thought. Shortly after my business went belly up in 2005, I found myself selling ad space for a now defunct news-weekly (I can sure pick 'em).  Making sales calls to small businesses gives you access to what is usually a little more informed populace. Let me relate to you what merchants at River Walk in Jenks thought just two years after V2025 had been passed.

They thought that construction on the low water dam was eminent. Many of them were barely holding on (some didn't) and were doing so because they figured the dam would save them. Remember, the engineering studies weren't even completed, only the locations had been decided. These people thought that the dams would cost around  3million apiece and would take less than a year from that date to be up and running. I gently suggested that if they had brought in bulldozers that day, that it would be two years before finishing touches with a cost closer to 12 million.  Nothing I said made a dent on them. They had obviously been informed by management or local officials that this was all about to happen and they wanted to believe.  People may be too embarrassed to admit what seemed the truth back then.

Senator Jim Inhofe was the one that was going to get the matching funds and did not. Again, maybe he could have, Oklahoma City got matching federal funds for the so called "Oklahoma" river. But Katrina changed the funding priorities for The Corp of Engineers and I'm sure that it is true that Tom Coburn didn't help with his anti-everything crusade in the Senate. For whatever reason, Inhofe failed.

And now, the Republican Party has lost the Senate, and will likely soon lose the presidency and it does not look like they will be taking back power any time soon. So our red state Oklahoma congressional delegation now has very little power and there's simply not going to be any matching funds coming our way. If we want the river done, we are going to have to pay for it ourselves.

And if you keep listening to Inhofe, Coburn, Bates, Medlock and their friends, well, look where they have gotten us so far. Nowhere. They want to tell you that we were misled over the river funds. Medlock was on the city council at the time, Inhofe and Coburn are the senators that were supposed to secure the funding, Bates is a Republican party official that helped and pushed to get all of them elected.

[iplaw]

quote:...nothing less than a full-fledged tantrum.

Kind of reminds me of this thread...in fact, most of your threads for the last couple of weeks.

I find it interesting that you have no trouble complaining about Medlock and what he says, but it's okay for you to say things like:

quote:...pot-bellied chicken-legged dude who paced around the whole time...

I'm finding your preoccupation with right-wing bloggers and radio personalities extremely disturbing.  Maybe it's that you're suffering from little man's syndrome.  All these people who you can't stand have so much more power and a louder voice than you...sounds like someone's just a little jealous.

[MichaelC]

What little I saw, on the KOTV piece, looks like a "freak out."  Looked worse than that classic Bates rant at the City Council over that F&M vs Fortress Guier Woods deal.

[tim huntzinger]

IP, you must be suffering from pot-bellied chicken-leg man syndrome to focus on that and equivicate an on-air attack by an elected Party official on a grieving mother with some wierdo with a hand-drawn sign pacing 12 inches from my face.

Burner, I am not a troll.  You know my name, why not 'nut up' and tell us yours?

Swake, good observations, I concur.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  

You might be surprised what people thought. Shortly after my business went belly up in 2005, I found myself selling ad space for a now defunct news-weekly (I can sure pick 'em).  Making sales calls to small businesses gives you access to what is usually a little more informed populace. Let me relate to you what merchants at River Walk in Jenks thought just two years after V2025 had been passed.

They thought that construction on the low water dam was eminent. Many of them were barely holding on (some didn't) and were doing so because they figured the dam would save them. Remember, the engineering studies weren't even completed, only the locations had been decided. These people thought that the dams would cost around  3million apiece and would take less than a year from that date to be up and running. I gently suggested that if they had brought in bulldozers that day, that it would be two years before finishing touches with a cost closer to 12 million.  Nothing I said made a dent on them. They had obviously been informed by management or local officials that this was all about to happen and they wanted to believe.  People may be too embarrassed to admit what seemed the truth back then.

Senator Jim Inhofe was the one that was going to get the matching funds and did not. Again, maybe he could have, Oklahoma City got matching federal funds for the so called "Oklahoma" river. But Katrina changed the funding priorities for The Corp of Engineers and I'm sure that it is true that Tom Coburn didn't help with his anti-everything crusade in the Senate. For whatever reason, Inhofe failed.

And now, the Republican Party has lost the Senate, and will likely soon lose the presidency and it does not look like they will be taking back power any time soon. So our red state Oklahoma congressional delegation now has very little power and there's simply not going to be any matching funds coming our way. If we want the river done, we are going to have to pay for it ourselves.

And if you keep listening to Inhofe, Coburn, Bates, Medlock and their friends, well, look where they have gotten us so far. Nowhere. They want to tell you that we were misled over the river funds. Medlock was on the city council at the time, Inhofe and Coburn are the senators that were supposed to secure the funding, Bates is a Republican party official that helped and pushed to get all of them elected.

Is this a political thing? Miller is true/blue republican, Taylor is...not. No, this is business.

I agree that we have to pay for this ourselves now. Looking back at past mistakes is only going to be helpful inasmuch as we need to be very clear on this ballot what is happening. If there was no intent to mislead in the past this should be made clear. We also will need to provide for real public oversight, not just mayors from surrounding cities or cronies of theirs.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

IP, you must be suffering from pot-bellied chicken-leg man syndrome to focus on that and equivicate an on-air attack by an elected Party official on a grieving mother with some wierdo with a hand-drawn sign pacing 12 inches from my face.

Burner, I am not a troll.  You know my name, why not 'nut up' and tell us yours?

Swake, good observations, I concur.

Yeah, I forget.  It's only a personal attack and tasteless if someone else does it.  Apparently your website isn't getting enough attention and you feel the need to attack people who are clearly more successful than you are...someone's definitely jealous.  BTW, I think the word you're looking for is "equate."  And Burner is dead on, this post is trollish.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Let's get to the root of the matter.  Is there anybody here that believes two low water dams and repairs to the Zink Dam could actually be done for 5.4 Million dollars? If so, may I please get some of what you are smoking?  Any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to scuttle the issue.  

OBVIOUSLY, that was intended as matching seed money. Nobody in their right mind, including Michael Bates, could believe otherwise, unless they are purposefully ignoring logic.  

You might be surprised what people thought. Shortly after my business went belly up in 2005, I found myself selling ad space for a now defunct news-weekly (I can sure pick 'em).  Making sales calls to small businesses gives you access to what is usually a little more informed populace. Let me relate to you what merchants at River Walk in Jenks thought just two years after V2025 had been passed.

They thought that construction on the low water dam was eminent. Many of them were barely holding on (some didn't) and were doing so because they figured the dam would save them. Remember, the engineering studies weren't even completed, only the locations had been decided. These people thought that the dams would cost around  3million apiece and would take less than a year from that date to be up and running. I gently suggested that if they had brought in bulldozers that day, that it would be two years before finishing touches with a cost closer to 12 million.  Nothing I said made a dent on them. They had obviously been informed by management or local officials that this was all about to happen and they wanted to believe.  People may be too embarrassed to admit what seemed the truth back then.

Senator Jim Inhofe was the one that was going to get the matching funds and did not. Again, maybe he could have, Oklahoma City got matching federal funds for the so called "Oklahoma" river. But Katrina changed the funding priorities for The Corp of Engineers and I'm sure that it is true that Tom Coburn didn't help with his anti-everything crusade in the Senate. For whatever reason, Inhofe failed.

And now, the Republican Party has lost the Senate, and will likely soon lose the presidency and it does not look like they will be taking back power any time soon. So our red state Oklahoma congressional delegation now has very little power and there's simply not going to be any matching funds coming our way. If we want the river done, we are going to have to pay for it ourselves.

And if you keep listening to Inhofe, Coburn, Bates, Medlock and their friends, well, look where they have gotten us so far. Nowhere. They want to tell you that we were misled over the river funds. Medlock was on the city council at the time, Inhofe and Coburn are the senators that were supposed to secure the funding, Bates is a Republican party official that helped and pushed to get all of them elected.

Is this a political thing? Miller is true/blue republican, Taylor is...not. No, this is business.

I agree that we have to pay for this ourselves now. Looking back at past mistakes is only going to be helpful inasmuch as we need to be very clear on this ballot what is happening. If there was no intent to mislead in the past this should be made clear. We also will need to provide for real public oversight, not just mayors from surrounding cities or cronies of theirs.

It's time to decide which side you are on. And, don't forget that these yahoos, Bates and Medlock et all, are the ones that brought us LaFortune too, and tried to bring him back for another term.

This is a good plan with a very good return on the tax money devoted. Again, 282 million in new taxes to get 887 million in river development. That is simple math and Bates and company are yelling and screaming in hopes we get confused.

[tim huntzinger]

Go ahead, IP, attack the messenger,  [sniffle sniffle] if it makes you feel better.

Yup, that is me, just a jealous troll.  Unlike yourself, I am just a loser, not a loyyah like you with so much time on his hands he wastes thousands of dollars of billable time arguing anonymously on chat boards.  What is your name, anyway? Tell us so we can steer some bidness your way, sounds like you need it. Or are another of Tulsa's indolent trust-fund class who does not know the meaning of work?

Nothing prevented the Holy One from coming out and merely quoting Goldwater's catchphrase about extremism versus moderation.  My analysis is that Miller's PA system caused him to raise his voice unnecessarily, and with his emotions high it was not too much of a leap for that Cherry Coke to kick in.