East End Update?

[DwnTwnTul]

Anything new with this project?

http://www.globaldevelopmentpartners.com/EastEnd.html

[sgrizzle]

GDP said they can't get the ballpark space (nordam property I believe) which last I heard had a tentative contract with the developer from catoosa. Both parties own some of the land. GDP did add a new drawing to their brochure a little while ago but no major announcements or progress.

[Renaissance]

I would wildly speculate that GDP is waiting to see how the river deal shakes out before proceeding.  A "Tulsa Landing" on the West Bank seems like something that would threaten the viability of an "East End."  

I hate waiting and seeing.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

I would wildly speculate that GDP is waiting to see how the river deal shakes out before proceeding.  A "Tulsa Landing" on the West Bank seems like something that would threaten the viability of an "East End."  

I hate waiting and seeing.

Most of GDP's plans were for multi-story buildings. The west bank likely wouldn't handle much over 3 stories.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

I would wildly speculate that GDP is waiting to see how the river deal shakes out before proceeding.  A "Tulsa Landing" on the West Bank seems like something that would threaten the viability of an "East End."  

I hate waiting and seeing.

Most of GDP's plans were for multi-story buildings. The west bank likely wouldn't handle much over 3 stories.

If Tulsa Landing is anything like Branson Landing then Tulsa Landing and the East End projects will have nothing in common. Think more Tulsa Hills on the river with some apartments. We are not really talking about urban dwellings in a Tulsa Landing like you would be in the East End. I don't think that young urban professionals are going to be clamoring to live above Belk's and Sunglasses Hut with exciting and walkable eating venues like Chili's. I'm thinking more along the lines of bored retirees.

[Renaissance]

Oh I hear what you're saying.  Still, the two developments will directly compete as far as being new-construction, "upscale" condos and rentals.  This is a part of the housing market that's higher risk, higher reward, which is why it draws the attention of developers.  My guess is they're waiting to see what happens in those segment markets in Tulsa before proceeding, given that the centerpiece of the development - a new ballpark next door - has apparently fallen through.

Again, all wild speculation.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Oh I hear what you're saying.  Still, the two developments will directly compete as far as being new-construction, "upscale" condos and rentals.  This is a part of the housing market that's higher risk, higher reward, which is why it draws the attention of developers.  My guess is they're waiting to see what happens in those segment markets in Tulsa before proceeding, given that the centerpiece of the development - a new ballpark next door - has apparently fallen through.

Again, all wild speculation.

The last word has been that the city is looking into having the ballpark site moved a few blocks north from the Nordam site to where the Hartford building is on 2nd. It's another part of the deal with moving city hall. The city already owns that building and it's workers would be moved to One Technology.

That would still place the ballpark next to the East End and really even closer to The Blue Dome area it's a better site but it would cut second street in half coming into downtown from I-244.

[Chicken Little]

I've never been a fan of the 1st/2nd street-pair.  Those train tracks are a scourge.  I'd just as soon lose that pair altogether.  Cincinnati/Detroit and 7th/8th are plenty for me.

[booWorld]

Closing streets downtown is a bad idea.  Superblocks destroy the relatively fine-grained patterns of an urban place.  Second Street connects to the neighborhood east of Highway 75, and we need to preserve as many of those types of connections as we can.  Downtown Tulsa is isolated too much from the surrounding neighborhoods.  We need more connections, not fewer.

[sgrizzle]

2nd is cut down on the west side, so why not?

[booWorld]

Second Street connects to the east, and superblocks don't belong downtown.

[cannon_fodder]

IN my short stay in Tulsa, I have learned to ignore all developers claims and accolades until ground I broken.  Even then, I remain skeptical.

How's that naked Indian doing?

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

IN my short stay in Tulsa, I have learned to ignore all developers claims and accolades until ground I broken.  Even then, I remain skeptical.

How's that naked Indian doing?

I hear ya. Its doing as well as the Portofino, the second phase of the Riverwalk, new Helmerich and Payne headquarters, South Towne Square....

[Aa5drvr]

http://www.amsted.com/news2.asp?news_id=20

This was another of those "High Paying Jobs" places that was built and never opened.

Go out east on Pine or I-44 and look north.  When you see that white building (elephant) refer to the above website.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder
How's that naked Indian doing?

The American project will not open until 2011, according to an e-mail their staff sent me.