Hillary in Tulsa

[sgrizzle]

Very hypothetical.

Two ways I look at it, this race is a 4th quarter up by 70point game for the Dems. They can put in their unlikely players (Hillary and Obama) and maybe get them through. However, if they went with a white male (like every president previous) they couldn't lose.

Not being racist, just know there are a lot of people who aren't willing to elect a minority or a woman.

[Hometown]

You better believe the Republicans will up the ante once again with a new chapter for the dirty tricks book.  Edwards doesn't have the team that can get him past the Republican machine.  It's a shame he has already done the V.P. thing.  How about Graham from Florida as Clinton's running mate?  Or possibly Richardson as V.P. to capture the Latin vote in the West.

There have been some changes over recent years that have lessened the importance of the south in a presidential race.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

There have been some changes over recent years that have lessened the importance of the south in a presidential race.

The recent years I recall (1992, 1996, 2000, 2004) happened to be Arkansas and Texas governors winning.  That being said, I don't know if they neccesarily won BECAUSE of the Southerner vote.  Aside from Texas and Florida, the South holds very little electoral weight.  Presidential candidates have always made it pretty clear how little Oklahoma matters (aside from dropping into town for some quick campaign cash)

I'm not sure what crazy trick the Dems or Republicans will resort to this cycle.  The gay marriage thing was very clever, and indeed, a very dirty trick, in the '04 elections.  No one really cared to ban gay marriage or expected the bans to pass, but putting the question on the general election ballot got just enough religious conservatives to turn out and push Bush over the top.

[Hometown]

True YoungTulsan, and I don't like to take risks on something this important.

But the rust belt had been trending to Republican and now it is trending to Democrat.  Same with parts of the North East.

Looks like the Democrats have some new strong holds.

Of course, I want the south too.  But more than that I want to win.

[iplaw]

Not to be a wet blanket on your '08 basement geek party, but we're going to see an election as close, if not closer than we saw in '04.  Anyone who thinks the diehard masses that actually get out and vote are going to somehow magically switch sides is just in fantasy land.

Despite what you see now, the election, as far as the average joe is concerned may as well be 10 years off if it's more than 2 months away...so whatever polls are being conducted are completely worthless.

[Hometown]

Oh, some noise from my country cousin.

Republicans are going to pull some dirty tricks.  Oh my.  Do you think I'm surprised?

Like I said, Hillary was the one that would call the IRS on her enemies and have the Secret Service rough up hecklers.  The girl knows how to fight on your level.  She's had practice.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown


Like I said, Hillary was the one that would call the IRS on her enemies and have the Secret Service rough up hecklers.  The girl knows how to fight on your level.  She's had practice.

She won't be the nominee if the Dems have anything left rattling around in that collective empty skull of theirs they call the DNC.  Obama doesn't stand a chance after he's been put through the Clinton flabby armed spanking machine of Begala and Carville.  Hopefully they just fall on each other's swords so it's nice and clean for the rest of us wipe up the mess from this spectacle.

[Hometown]

Right and you predicted a Republican sweep last fall.  What's in the water there in the sticks?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

You better believe the Republicans will up the ante once again with a new chapter for the dirty tricks book.  Edwards doesn't have the team that can get him past the Republican machine.  It's a shame he has already done the V.P. thing.  How about Graham from Florida as Clinton's running mate?  Or possibly Richardson as V.P. to capture the Latin vote in the West.

There have been some changes over recent years that have lessened the importance of the south in a presidential race.

What geographic area of the United States does Florida belong to?

[aoxamaxoa]

Hill will be the nominee cinching the repugs hold on the White House.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Hill will be the nominee cinching the repugs hold on the White House.

Primary momentum is strange though.  No one really expected Kerry to pull off the nomination in 04 until some early wins turned into momentum.

Hillary is definately known by everyone, so she gets good numbers in these early polls of people who are basically unaware of the other candidates (aside from the 1% of the population that watched the debates thus far)

The campaigns will heat up close to the primaries, people will start learning about all of the candidates, and democrats will REALLY start to worry about whether she is electable in the general election.  Her negatives will be played up very strong by her opponents in the days before the primaries.

It still seems more likely than not, Hillary will coast through this.  But I see a possibility of Edwards or Obama pulling it off.

VP options:
Hillary will play second fiddle to no one
Edwards will not get the VP spot 2 elections in a row
Obama will have gotten too beaten up by Hillary to run as her VP

Hillary wins, Richardson seems like the logical choice for VP with Edwards and Obama not an option.

Edwards wins, it would probably be an Edwards/Obama ticket.

Obama wins, you rule out Hillary just because, Edwards as well.  Richardson?  Sounds bad but I don't know if they would run an all-minority ticket.  He'd need a VP that would attract some more moderates to get the general election win.  Maybe a white, rural state, democrat governor with good approval numbers?  We got one of those here

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I will not vote for her.                                        

Hypothetical:  Hillary vs Rudy...who would you vote for?

None of the Above. If there is a good third party or independent candidate, I might cast my protest vote for them. Otherwise, I'll leave it blank.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

You better believe the Republicans will up the ante once again with a new chapter for the dirty tricks book.  Edwards doesn't have the team that can get him past the Republican machine.  It's a shame he has already done the V.P. thing.  How about Graham from Florida as Clinton's running mate?  Or possibly Richardson as V.P. to capture the Latin vote in the West.

There have been some changes over recent years that have lessened the importance of the south in a presidential race.

Clinton/Richardson? Bill Maher was on T.V. wondering how Democrats will lose this election. I think you just answered his question.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Oh, some noise from my country cousin.

Republicans are going to pull some dirty tricks.  Oh my.  Do you think I'm surprised?

Like I said, Hillary was the one that would call the IRS on her enemies and have the Secret Service rough up hecklers.  The girl knows how to fight on your level.  She's had practice.

                                                 So just to recap, Hillary is just as dirty as Republicans, engages in the politics of personal destruction and abused her power as First Lady, huh? That should really appeal to Democratic primary voters in her campaign for President. Good luck with that.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

You better believe the Republicans will up the ante once again with a new chapter for the dirty tricks book.  Edwards doesn't have the team that can get him past the Republican machine.  It's a shame he has already done the V.P. thing.  How about Graham from Florida as Clinton's running mate?  Or possibly Richardson as V.P. to capture the Latin vote in the West.

There have been some changes over recent years that have lessened the importance of the south in a presidential race.

What geographic area of the United States does Florida belong to?

The race came down to precincts in South Florida...which is totally different from north Florida.

But to say the South isn't important is absolutely hysterical.