Christian Leader calls OK a Racial Battlefield!

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

You might check into TPD and the Sheriffs dept. and see what they've done on that.  Supposedly, they're going to help out on immigration enforcement.  There's a few coppers on here that might be able to tell you.

Part of the problem of not making it a federal requirement to enforce within limits federal immigration laws, is that some cities and jurisdictions won't do it.  Currently, these so-called "haven" cities aren't enforcing because they don't have to.  That is, currently, a perfectly viable option for pretty much any local or state jurisdiction.

I just caught bits and pieces of Sullivan on one of the morning shows on the way to work.  I was only half way into my first cup of coffee, so I don't even remember if it was on KRMG or KFAG.  He was talking about TCSD deputies undergoing training from ICE.  I believe it's a five week "course".

That's what I'm trying to figure out, if this is a result of a push from ICE or it is ICE cooperating with jurisdictions who are trying to enforce tighter state or municipal laws.

[bokworker]

Pertaining to comments about hispanics leaving the Tulsa area.... I was visiting with the owner of a manufacturing firm the other day that confirmed this very fact. The hard part for them was that their workers were legal but they were having to leave because other family members, that were not legal, felt they had to move.

The rub on this for this business was that they were losing good employees... and they also confirmed that it has been extremely difficult to find able replacements. Mind you, these are not minimum wage jobs either. Not highly skilled but physically demanding... Their take was that from an idealogical standpoint they agreed with stricter immigration laws, the reality was that they were having to turn away business in the short run.

[Wingnut]

quote: The path for current illegals in the system, should be through Resident Alien status. Give them X number of days to register as an RA at whatever locations, after that it's over. If you're here in an illegal capacity your gone.

This sounds remarkably like the failed amnesty plan. Once they get a green card, their considered legal, and with that come all the benefits. Who would pay for all the 15ish million new legals bennies?

[Porky]

One can only laugh at those that reflect illegal immigration as racism.

They either had to of been born retarded or had a giant burrito fall out of the air and crushed the only brain cell they had left in their anal orifice.

This subject is not even worthy of debate, unless your an Illegal or have friends that are....... as Nov 1st creeps upon all of you.

May you all wave goodbye to Oklahoma that day, as you enter into Kansas. Feel free to look upon it as the Trail of Jalapeno Tears.

Don't expect Kansas or any other state to put up with your nonsense either, like Oklahoma has had to do. Your choice most likely will be to eventually settle on the northern shoreline of Canada or return to your maiden land of Mexico.

Either one of these settlements are acceptable with me as long as you don't use the borders of the great state of Oklahoma to journey back through. Good luck to all of you and may you all find happiness on someone else's peso.

Yours Truly,
Porky

[MichaelC]

If you are actually endorsing a large scale police action to export millions of individuals from this country, then yes you are probably a bit racist.  About the only thing worse would be to execute every one of them, or perhaps to enslave them.  Taking pages from the book of "Ethnic Cleansing For Dummies" is neither a good idea, nor practical.

There are ways around the "amnesty" problem, built into the current system.  It's called "Resident Alien" (Temporary Resident), not to be confused with Green Card (aka Permanent Resident.) It'll take a tweek here and there, but an overhauled RA system solves the problem.  The "Green Card" system would be of little use and should be phased completely out.

[Wingnut]

Resident Alien
A foreigner who is a permanent resident of the country in which he or she resides but does not have citizenship. To fall under this classification in the U.S., you need to either currently have a green card or have had one in the last calendar year. You also fall under the U.S. classification of resident alien if you have been in the U.S. for more than 31 days during the current year along with having been in the U.S. for at least 183 days over a three-year period that includes the current year.
 
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/residentalien.asp

The way I read this it says you have to have a green card before one can become a resident alien. How can one be a RA without one?

quote: There are ways around the "amnesty" problem...

I guess we could create a different name for it. It would still be the same thing. Once they become legal, there is no reason to go home, and why would they want to? Part of the current problem is that they overstay their visas and such. It would be interesting to see data on how many actually return home as they are required/supposed to do.

[Chicken Little]

Resident alien is a generic term covering both temporary or permanent residents.  A green card signifies that a person is a lawful permanent resident.  It's revocable.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

Resident alien is a generic term covering both temporary or permanent residents.  A green card signifies that a person is a lawful permanent resident.  It's revocable.

Clarification is needed here.  A green card issued by the U.S. Government signifies a person is a lawful permanent resident.

Fakes appear to be easy to obtain.

[kakie]

It's been reported 20,000 or so illegals have already fled the area.  Where did these people live?  Does this sound right?  Did they live in a home where 20-30 illegals had beds or what?  Any ideas.

[kakie]

quote:

Yep.  It annoys the hell out of me.  It's right out of the Al $harpton, Je$$e Jack$on playbook.

Speaking of mandates, is it the feds or the TCSD who instigated the training of deputies by ICE.  This isn't isolated, it's going on in other places as well:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/aug/21/collier_sheriffs_deputies_train_identify_illegal_i/

I like this part in the article:  

"Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act allows state and local law enforcement agents to investigate, detain and arrest aliens on civil and criminal grounds if the agents have received the proper training.

When their training is complete the deputies will have earned the security clearance to use federal computer systems and databases."

This county in the article said it cost them (the citizens) $9 million a year to jail illegals.  Does anyone have figures for Tulsa or Oklahoma.  Anyone seen anything???

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

It's been reported 20,000 or so illegals have already fled the area.  Where did these people live?  Does this sound right?  Did they live in a home where 20-30 illegals had beds or what?  Any ideas.

Yeah, I have an idea.  I call BS.

20,000 people is a LOT of people for Tulsa.  If that many left there would be mass vacancies in rental properties (2,000 if they lived 10 to a place.  There are only 150K households in Tulsa County so that would be VERY significant).  Not to mention there would be a ridiculous labor shortage in many sectors.  With 3-4% unemployment taking 15,000 workers out of the system would cripple many industries.

I could be wrong, but that smells like hyperbole to me.

[guido911]

Looks like Arizona is likewise becoming a Racial Battlefield...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0826sanctionsimpact08260.html?&wired

[kakie]

In an effort to keep track of the battle facing Oklahomans regarding HB 1804, zTruth has created a page with information and timelines and other good stuff about the National Coaltion of Latino Clergy (CONLAMIC) who is planning to sue our state. Their president, Rev. Miguel Rivera, is well-connected to George Bush's administration, it seems. This is deeply troubling.  In fact, he may be meeting with Bush in September. See the "Upcoming" section.

Our law,  if it is upheld as valid in court,  has national implications.  It's major.

Perhaps a few thousand phone calls to the White House to complain about the tactics used by this "so-called Christian group and its relationship to the White House may be in order.  The White House number is 202-456-1111.  You will get a live person after a short wait then they just ask you what state you are calling from then you speak what's on your mind.

..."The state cradles the great White evangelical ministries of Oral Roberts, Oral Roberts University, T.L. Osborn and others, turns place of torment for Latin families..."

This was translated to English from Spanish from a Presidential Bulletin Rev. Miguel Rivera sent out to his fellow Christian leaders across the country on Tuesday. The whole bulletin is available to read at zTruth.  It's shocking.

I thought it might get your attention.

http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/oklahomas-fight-to-protec.html

[iplaw]

quote:great White evangelical ministries

Huh?  Has ORU taken an particular stand on this issue?  Why is the good reverend targeting fellow christians who haven't, as far as I can see, disagreed with him?  Is this scorched earth policy typical for the right reverend? Is it okay to ignore the tenants of your faith as long as the ends justify the means?

It makes me physically ill to defend ORU or that a-hole Richard Roberts in any shape, form or fashion, but I can't figure out for the life of me why he made that comment...

[kakie]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:great White evangelical ministries

Huh?  Has ORU taken an particular stand on this issue?  Why is the good reverend targeting fellow christians who haven't, as far as I can see, disagreed with him?  Is this scorched earth policy typical for the right reverend? Is it okay to ignore the tenants of your faith as long as the ends justify the means?

It makes me physically ill to defend ORU or that a-hole Richard Roberts in any shape, form or fashion, but I can't figure out for the life of me why he made that comment...

This is what the National Latino Christian Organization said. zTruth is keeping a log of these events as they happen.  It's a real eye opener. Complacency will only help the illegal foreign nationals here. Dont' we all need to start paying attention to all the attacks that are being hurled our way?  

What will it take for you to do something?  Such as call the White House since the president of this Latino organization may be meeting with President Bush in a few days.  Why would the White House want to be associated with a Christian organization that is going to sue us and call us racist.

The White House 202-456-1111.