Randi Miller wants Bell's business plan released

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

The best part of the fair, IMO, is the people watching.  Those overweight, spandex and tube top wearing, BUPA having rednecks with dirty screaming future rednecks are interesting to see.

The worst part?  How those mentally challenged mouth breathers park.  They destroy landscaping, endanger pedestrians, and break the law.  

Maybe a free parking lot isn't such a bad thing.  I'm sorry for the loss of something that is important to so many but it's gone.  Hopefully something good will come from the new addition of pavement.  Less collateral damage to my neighborhood.

That wasn't your yard I parked in last year was it?  I'm about 6'2" 130 pounds, long mullet.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

The best part of the fair, IMO, is the people watching.  Those overweight, spandex and tube top wearing, BUPA having rednecks with dirty screaming future rednecks are interesting to see.

The worst part?  How those mentally challenged mouth breathers park.  They destroy landscaping, endanger pedestrians, and break the law.  

Maybe a free parking lot isn't such a bad thing.  I'm sorry for the loss of something that is important to so many but it's gone.  Hopefully something good will come from the new addition of pavement.  Less collateral damage to my neighborhood.

That wasn't your yard I parked in last year was it?  I'm about 6'2" 130 pounds, long mullet.

Does your girl wear a sleaveless pink cutoff t-shirt, have a huge belly that hangs over her acid washed shorts with holes in them, and ropers?...just might be one of the culprits

What're the rules on pungee sticks?

[Sangria]

Not sure why Randi Miller thinks we need a 6 million dollar kitchen at the fairgrounds.

Seems to me, if they would be more frugal with our money there would be plenty to build projects like the river with.

It really irritates me to see how wasteful she is.

When is her term up? i want to put a Vote NO for Randi Miller sign in my yard - i will be sure not to put it on an easement. []

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

The best part of the fair, IMO, is the people watching.  Those overweight, spandex and tube top wearing, BUPA having rednecks with dirty screaming future rednecks are interesting to see.

The worst part?  How those mentally challenged mouth breathers park.  They destroy landscaping, endanger pedestrians, and break the law.  

Maybe a free parking lot isn't such a bad thing.  I'm sorry for the loss of something that is important to so many but it's gone.  Hopefully something good will come from the new addition of pavement.  Less collateral damage to my neighborhood.

That wasn't your yard I parked in last year was it?  I'm about 6'2" 130 pounds, long mullet.

Do you look like Tommy Lee......

[Shavethewhales]

See, I always thought the plans for park-wide renovations, the new rides coming in this year, and the massive new wooden coaster coming in 2008 were signs enough that their business was doing fairly well, and about to do a whole lot better.

True, Robbie isn't a exactly a modern-buisness man, but that doesn't mean he wasn't doing a good job.

Hopefully, when he lands his new plan and gets the new park underway, he'll be able to release the old plans without the threat of competitors seeing it.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Shavethewhales

See, I always thought the plans for park-wide renovations, the new rides coming in this year, and the massive new wooden coaster coming in 2008 were signs enough that their business was doing fairly well, and about to do a whole lot better.

True, Robbie isn't a exactly a modern-buisness man, but that doesn't mean he wasn't doing a good job.

Hopefully, when he lands his new plan and gets the new park underway, he'll be able to release the old plans without the threat of competitors seeing it.

Who are Bell's competitors? Is Disney, Six Flags, Silver Dollar City, or some other amusement park company trying to get into Tulsa?

[Shavethewhales]

^PARC, CNL, and Great American Family Parks have been looking at the area, not to mention all those who would look at jumping into the business.

As 'midtownnewbie' said so well:

quote:Originally posted by midtownnewbie

A business plan is proprietary information.  If it is a true business plan it will have all of Bell's financial statements, competitive advantages, future strategies, etc.  If it shows that this business is viable (at any location), a competitor would have an opportunity to utilize information within that business plan to their own competitive advantage.

As an example, do you think the Branson Landing people would want THEIR business plan released to their competition???  Of course not.

If for some reason they want to release the business plan because it's just some scratchings (like Conan's post) on a piece of paper, than that would be ok.  But if it's a true business plan, that would open the county up for a definite lawsuit.

I could see quite a few people jumping at the chance to see Bell's documents, scarce and unkempt as they may be.

[rwarn17588]

There isn't a new plan, and Bell's isn't going to reopen anywhere.

And in the age of computer games, starting an amusement park from scratch is not cost-effective. It's a slowly dying industry.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

A publicly elected official asks in a public meeting for a plan from a company that has a contract producing income for a county entity on government owned property.

It may be sensitive in nature, but that makes it open to public scrutiny in my opinion.

Release the plan. We have a right to know.

                                                 So, Spincycle, with the Drillers threatening to move, will you call their bluff by demanding they release their business plan or will you continue your legacy of hypocrisy? By your logic we have a right to know. You make this to easy.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

There isn't a new plan, and Bell's isn't going to reopen anywhere.

And in the age of computer games, starting an amusement park from scratch is not cost-effective. It's a slowly dying industry.

                                                  Just like newspapers, eh? You make this to easy.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

There isn't a new plan, and Bell's isn't going to reopen anywhere.

And in the age of computer games, starting an amusement park from scratch is not cost-effective. It's a slowly dying industry.

Yes...Thats why they are still constructing wooden roller coasters.....Now get your head outta the sand....

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

There isn't a new plan, and Bell's isn't going to reopen anywhere.

And in the age of computer games, starting an amusement park from scratch is not cost-effective. It's a slowly dying industry.

All the more reason that Tulsa County should have been more accommodating on Bell's lease. There is demand for small amusement parks, enough to keep them going even if not enough to justify building from scratch.

Last night, our family drove up to Bartlesville to go to their Kiddie Park. We went early enough to have dinner at Murphy's Steak House, then bought gas and drinks as we were headed out of town.

The place was more crowded than I've ever seen it. It took us 15 minutes in line just to buy tickets for the rides. Talk about a gathering place! There were families from all walks of life with nothing more in common than a desire to treat their children to a fun-filled evening.

Kiddie Park has had a hard time this summer -- rained out often, then closed for nearly a month to recover from the early July flooding of the Caney River. Families who had planned to visit earlier finally made it on this, the next to last weekend of the season.

Our two smaller kids had fun, but our oldest is too tall for most of the rides, which are aimed at 9 and under. That's something we miss about Bell's -- rides like the Scrambler, Pharoah's Fury, the Round-Up, the ski lift, the bumper boats, and the Himalaya that appealed to bigger kids.

As we were starting home last night, my son made some offhanded remark about a ride at Bell's. Once again, my seven-year-old daughter started sobbing, as she does anytime Bell's is mentioned or we drive past where it used to be.

She was finally tall enough that she could have ridden all the rides at Bell's this year. She said she was sad because she was already starting to forget what Bell's was like, and she was sad because her baby brother wouldn't remember it at all.

Tulsa's children didn't know or care how good a businessman Robby Bell was. They didn't notice that parts of the park were looking tatty. They didn't care that the rides were old fashioned. To them, it was a place of fun and excitement.

I can't see how the Arabian Horse Show is going to compensate for losing that aspect of our family's quality of life.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

A publicly elected official asks in a public meeting for a plan from a company that has a contract producing income for a county entity on government owned property.

It may be sensitive in nature, but that makes it open to public scrutiny in my opinion.

Release the plan. We have a right to know.

                                                 So, Spincycle, with the Drillers threatening to move, will you call their bluff by demanding they release their business plan or will you continue your legacy of hypocrisy? By your logic we have a right to know. You make this to easy.

Please refrain from calling me names.

The county commissioner asked for the business plan in public discussions about extending a lease for Bells's. The fairgrounds did not kick-off the amusement park, they chose to not extend the contract on publicly owned land.

The Drillers have a lease that extends through 2009. At the end of that term, if the Drillers are asked for a business plan and want to extend their lease, I would want to see any document that is brought into the public realm that included pertinent information.

Because it involves public dollars, public lands, and public officials...the public has a right to know.

If you don't want the information to be public, don't do any business with the government.

[waterboy]

Even though they contract with the county, it is a private business. And one that may elect to operate elsewhere in the community. Unless absolutely necessary (directed by a judge perhaps) it seems to me that it would be abusive to open it to the public even though it would be juicy I'm sure. Miller can always imply to the public that the plan was weak but to open up private business proposals in detail to the public is wrong. A general description is enough.

If we open that can of worms, I agree that the Drillers who are threatening to leave, should also open up their books. They have no competition either do they? Then the Talons and Ice Oilers would have to open up. No, I think they all deserve the same protections that a private bidder who submits to the county would have.

[rwarn17588]

Michael Bates wrote:

Tulsa's children didn't know or care how good a businessman Robby Bell was. They didn't notice that parts of the park were looking tatty.

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But the parents do.

And they're the ones who have the money to take the kids out to the park.

An operator has to remember that he has to make sure the complex looks safe and clean for them.

By all accounts, this is where Robby Bell failed.

Perhaps it's not fair. But an amusement park operator has to be stupid or oblivious to not know that this is a crucial factor in remaining viable. You have to appeal to the parents as well as the kids.